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Old 06-14-2017, 08:39 AM
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Tell me again how what someone else wears, women no less, threatens you.
Talk about a straw man argument! I never said that women wearing that type of garment threatens me. I mentioned the misogyny and barbarism of the Islamic political system. The majority want to see Sharia implemented wherever they move to. This has happened in other countries, so it is a valid concern.

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It is a religion by any sane definition.
A "religion" that kills women who have been raped because they are no longer pure, a "religion" that removes the clitoris of young girls so that they will never be able enjoy sex, a "religion" that engages in "honor killings" and engages in jihad against those who aren't Muslims. Women in Islamic majority countries cannot drive nor work outside the home, and cannot even leave the home without a ma's permission and in a man's presence. Such misogyny is not religious. In spite of these facts, the low-information liberals wants to let adherents of that "religion" spread it here. Spreading Islam and establishing a worldwide caliphate under Sharia law is the stated goal of the Muslim Brotherhood as anyone who is informed knows. Stating facts isn't bigotry, but ignoring them is stupidity.
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Old 06-14-2017, 09:42 AM
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no cinco de mayo.
That's the only thing I agree with you.

It's a Mexican day of celebration. Never happened here.
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Old 06-14-2017, 09:46 AM
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I don't understand how the ultraconservatives rationalize discriminating against one single religion away like they do. They think they are such great Americans, all for the Constitution, well that is when it protects them and people like them, but you know, it don't really apply to that group over they don't like, especially if they are dark or different. The shameless bigotry still amazes me.
You were doing at least half-assed until you played your race card with the "dark" thing. Islam, like it or not, is not a religion, if the adherents for the most part (I would say more than 50 percent) are willing to kill any infidel who does not toe their line.

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Old 06-14-2017, 12:18 PM
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I would love to see the US follow Austria's example, but the political correctness morons would never allow it.

Muslims are using our own First Amendment to try and implement their backward, anachronistic political system here under the guise of religion. It isn't a religion; the religious aspect is just small part of their totalitarian, misogynistic political system, and this medieval, barbaric culture has no place here.
If women want to dress in what looks like a black ku klux klan outfit because she believe that is what her god wants or just for the hell of it then that is her business. The only time such garb should be banned is when giving testimony in a court of law( so that people can face their accusers in a court of law and so juries can pick up any visual cues that may indicate if the person is lying or telling the truth), in a security sensitive area, driving or taking a photo for a government issued ID or driver's license.

You think its a good thing that Austria is doing a good thing and wished something like that would happen here in the US. But all its doing is paving the way for them to do the same thing to other religions like Christianity,Catholicism, Judaism, Mormonism or some other Judeo-Christian religion. Because when atheists and cafeteria-Christians(fake Christians,Christians in name only,liberal Christians) get in control they will impose certain bans on Judeo-Christian religious practices. Its like when democrats went with the nuclear option to pass through Obama's nominees. It later bit them in the ass when Trump became president a republican majority in both houses.

You may not like Muslims and think Islam is a fake religion or a cult. But it is a religion and the first amendment grants them the right to practice their religion however they want.
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You may not like Muslims and think Islam is a fake religion or a cult. But it is a religion and the first amendment grants them the right to practice their religion however they want.


They can walk around with their thumbs up their ass and believe that their god came from the moon, or Uranus, but if they start their proselytizing to me, either with words or a dull knife, I will raise my religion against theirs. My religion is BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASSISM.
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Because it is our country, and we can do as we want to.
Majority rules and your no longer in the majority, in case you have not noticed.
And the constitution can get chucked out the window for all you care.
Without surprise, MrLiberty also endorses a clear first amendment violation.

It's funny how some people demand small government ...
... until they are the ones in charge and they have an opportunity to discriminate against minorities.


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I mentioned the misogyny and barbarism of the Islamic political system. The majority want to see Sharia implemented wherever they move to. This has happened in other countries, so it is a valid concern.
We're talking about the difference between:
a) Freedom to have an apple, AND
b) Forcing people to eat apples.

Sharia law should not be forced on people. That is something most people understand and agree with.
Even looking at different countries, the vast majority do not want Sharia law forced on non-Muslims.
Should Sharia Apply to All Citizens?


But you're taking this a step further.
You are advocating that people who want to wear the garb should be prevented from doing so.
That's messed up and unconstitutional.


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If women want to dress in what looks like a black ku klux klan outfit because she believe that is what her god wants or just for the hell of it then that is her business. The only time such garb should be banned is when giving testimony in a court of law( so that people can face their accusers in a court of law and so juries can pick up any visual cues that may indicate if the person is lying or telling the truth), in a security sensitive area, driving or taking a photo for a government issued ID or driver's license.
Well said.
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If women want to dress in what looks like a black ku klux klan outfit because she believe that is what her god wants or just for the hell of it then that is her business. The only time such garb should be banned is when giving testimony in a court of law( so that people can face their accusers in a court of law and so juries can pick up any visual cues that may indicate if the person is lying or telling the truth), in a security sensitive area, driving or taking a photo for a government issued ID or driver's license.

You think its a good thing that Austria is doing a good thing and wished something like that would happen here in the US. But all its doing is paving the way for them to do the same thing to other religions like Christianity,Catholicism, Judaism, Mormonism or some other Judeo-Christian religion. Because when atheists and cafeteria-Christians(fake Christians,Christians in name only,liberal Christians) get in control they will impose certain bans on Judeo-Christian religious practices. Its like when democrats went with the nuclear option to pass through Obama's nominees. It later bit them in the ass when Trump became president a republican majority in both houses.

You may not like Muslims and think Islam is a fake religion or a cult. But it is a religion and the first amendment grants them the right to practice their religion however they want.
While I agree with your post in general, I 100% wholly and completely believe 'your rights end where mine begin'.

Unfortunately, several tenets of the Muslim religion(extremist mostly) say they should eliminate the infidel. While that may be part of 'practicing their religion', it certainly would be violating the rights of others.

Garb, I have no issue with, as you stated with restrictions. Fly a flag, or a display on private property, no issue.

Attempt to inflict your religion on others? Not so much....

Harm none, do what you will....
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Tell me again how what someone else wears, women no less, threatens you. Hate and fear mongering at its finest. I was running on the trail, I think it was Saturday, when it shot up over 90F. A woman passed me with a hijab or what ever it was called covering her head. Didn't scare me a bit, she smiled and waved and was sweating quite a bit. Political correctness morons? Really? How bout bigoted morons? It is a religion by any sane definition.
Maybe you missed this last week. You can hide tons of stuff under that Burqa.

The Islamic States has claimed a bloody double attack in Iran’s capital that killed at least 12 and injured 42 others on Wednesday.

ISIS Delivers Double Blow: At Least 12 Dead In Iran After Gunmen Dressed As Women Attack Parliament While Suicide Bombers Devastate Shrine
The Islamic State quickly took credit for the twin attacks on

The attackers rocked Tehran around 10 a.m. local time on Wednesday and used both guns and suicide bombs to carry out a joint mission. They simultaneously stormed the Iranian Parliament and the Ayatollah Khomeini shrine, the tomb of the republic’s founder; both are very symbolic sites.

Around 10 a.m., gunmen allegedly dressed as women broke fire in the Parliament building before reportedly taking hostages and detonating at least one bomb.

Meanwhile, a shooting spree and bombings took place at the shrine, which is about 15 miles away.

The conflict lasted for about five hours before reports that all four assailants were dead and the incident was over.

Anup Kaphle, deputy foreign editor at BuzzFeed, tweeted a photo of a little boy being evacuated during the attack.Wednesday

ISIS Delivers Double Blow: At Least 12 Dead In Iran After Gunmen Dressed As Women Attack Parliament While Suicide Bombers Devastate Shrine | American Military News
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let's stop celebrations where people wear kilts. halt the Chicago green beer day (st pat's)
no native heritage festivals. in fact let's go arrest orthodox Jews if they wear their religious garb out in public. no cinco de mayo.
no Quinceañera when teen age girls are celebrated.
kids must be prevented from getting rebel flags and Malcolm X tattoos and no nose piercing or lip jewelry cause that came from African and Indian cultures.
Amish must not wear those funny little hats; hard core Jehovahs Witnesseses can't dress out of fashion anymore-they must wear shorter skirts and make up!
All Mormons must drink a quart of coffee a week to prove they're American. No more shouting in African American sanctified churches!
no wedding veils for brides; no placing the bride and groom's hand on the bible.
Let's ostracize German and Japaneses Americans again---worked so well the first time and after all it was the people's fault not a mad ruler and psychopathic dictator.

All cultures and religions have had traditional dress and actions and celebrations then eventually melded into our society keeping a few things and letting others go. But they are all welcome in American.
What makes it harder and makes them want to cling to their small circle and become targets for terrorist propaganda is this kind of thinking.
may work for Austria but not here.
The Scots, the Irish, and just about all other ethnic groups that came here didn't go around terrorizing and blowing up places like the muslims do -They do this in every country that allows them entry. Good on Austria for protecting it's citizens.
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They can walk around with their thumbs up their ass and believe that their god came from the moon, or Uranus, but if they start their proselytizing to me, either with words or a dull knife, I will raise my religion against theirs. My religion is BLOW IT OUT YOUR ASSISM.
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