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We just want the one established by the Constitution . . . Why don't you give up trying to reorder it into something it isn't and climb back under the Marxist rock from whence you came?

Why should we leave when you and your ilk are the invaders and the desecrators?
You should leave because you are not progressive. The right is regressive
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I couldn't think of a personality less narcissistic
You apparently don’t know what narcissism is. Obama and Trump are classic examples.

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the constitution was intact unlike its precarious status now
I didn’t say he was successful, but Obama is the one that stated that the Constitution as a “charter of negative liberties.” What do you think he meant by that? What he was saying is that the Constitution tied the hands of the gov’t to the point the gov’t could not act to take from some groups and give to others without just cause. When he spoke of “fundamentally transforming” this country, what do you think he meant? He wanted to CHANGE our Constitution to allow him to implement this change.

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despised our founding? Where do you get this information?
From him. He may not have come out and said it, but you and infer a sense of his feelings of the founders by his words.

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It certainly says something about his character
Yes it does. Also comments about “typical white people” and “the Muslim call to prayer one of the pretties sounds on Earth” says a lot more.

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Worked with them to the point of ticking off his base with his conciliatory attitude
Please provide ANY example of Obama working with the opposition on ANYTHING. All I can remember is “I have a phone and a pen” meaning that he will just go around him.

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After their intense campaign to block legislation that was imperative to our economy, health and safety
Please define which legislation they were blocking that was imperative to our economy, health and safety. The only legislation that I am aware of that they blocked was big progressive spending bills meant to further entrench our economy with yet more and larger social programs that do nothing but enslave those dependent upon them.

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What are you talking about here?
I was speaking about those malcontents that would go to tea party rallies and hold up signs about hating blacks and other inflammatory messages meant to paint the tea party in a negative light. They were generally quickly exposed and disowned by real tea party members, but generally there was a news reporter nearby that would falsely report how evil the tea party was.

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A lie and if you will look you will see the results today of that fiasco that was only wrought to cripple our revenue collecting department. I don't know how some people who supposedly are so up on how to make a good economy for the nation do not see we need a way of collecting that money. Honestly that whole irs thing was a scam to let lobbyists' bosses dodge taxes and they are doing it right now.
So all those tea party groups that were singled out and denied 501(c)3 status, which by the way was never denied to progressive groups, didn’t happen? There are many examples of groups that NEVER got their legal tax status. I’m sorry, but that has NOTHING do to with trying to cripple our revenue collecting department.

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I admit Obama had shiddy congressmen to work with compared to the Bill Clinton era. Many good ones on both sides died,retired or were primaried by pretend teapartiers who were actually shills for industries who like to poison, pollute, steal, and treat workers like chattel.
You got any proof of that? Please share if you do.

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Mitch McConnel, Ted Cruz and the like drove that wedge along with Andrew Breitbart, white nationalists, Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh.
Alex Jones is a nut job. I don’t know of anyone on the political right that has anything to do with that moron. Mitch McConnell is a progressive in Republican clothing and by all rights, should run as a Democrat.

As for Ted Cruz, he is a strict Constitutionalist, so I can see why those on the left don’t like him. He believes in the rule of law and abiding by the principles of the Constitution that this great country was founded upon.

Limbaugh is an entertainer and is just 1 voice against the all powerful MSM consisting of ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, etc. I know the left can’t stand that there is a conservative voice out there, but they need to get over it.
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I don't believe I've ever been embarrassed because President Obama was black.

To begin with he isn't black. He is Arabian/White

Nor was I embarrassed for our country when he recklessly acted outside the traditions of our young nation with the world and with the Constitutional rights of it's citizens.

It's what all progressives do when handed power.

No, my embarrassment came early and it wasn't about him. Instead, I was embarrassed by my countrymen, at his election, when so many Americans qualified an unknown pure politician, with a hidden past, and despite unclear pedigree, because they thought it was time we had a Black President.
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Admit you are racist and stop the BS double speak
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I don't believe I've ever been embarrassed because President Obama was black.

To begin with he isn't black. He is Arabian/White

Nor was I embarrassed for our country when he recklessly acted outside the traditions of our young nation with the world and with the Constitutional rights of it's citizens.

It's what all progressives do when handed power.

No, my embarrassment came early and it wasn't about him. Instead, I was embarrassed by my countrymen, at his election, when so many Americans qualified an unknown pure politician, with a hidden past, and despite unclear pedigree, because they thought it was time we had a Black President.
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You apparently don’t know what narcissism is. Obama and Trump are classic examples.

Reagan wasn't an ego? Teddy Roosevelt didn't want to be noticed? No I do know what narcissism is and it made me ill how much obama bent over backwards to appease azzoles who clearly had no thought for the country.

I didn’t say he was successful, but Obama is the one that stated that the Constitution as a “charter of negative liberties.” What do you think he meant by that? What he was saying is that the Constitution tied the hands of the gov’t to the point the gov’t could not act to take from some groups and give to others without just cause.

immediately after that he said: "It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf"
in a stand alone statement out of context that sounded scary, however you can see he was having a philosophical discussion about government. much as jefferson or adams would have had. they often disagreed but it didnt mean either was a subversive



When he spoke of “fundamentally transforming” this country, what do you think he meant? He wanted to CHANGE our Constitution to allow him to implement this change.

I think it meant to change it back to it's best point in history when economy or society or safety were not either particularly the focus but all equally thought of in terms of governing.
the constitution has been changed throughout the course of history both through amendment and interpretation. citizens united is certainly a scary change; so was civil rights legislation, but that doesn't mean we ripped up the base document. and it will change again and again if we are to survive


From him. He may not have come out and said it, but you and infer a sense of his feelings of the founders by his words.
^^didn't get your meaning here; maybe a dropped word?



Yes it does. Also comments about “typical white people” and “the Muslim call to prayer one of the pretties sounds on Earth” says a lot more.



Please provide ANY example of Obama working with the opposition on ANYTHING. All I can remember is “I have a phone and a pen” meaning that he will just go around him.

the many times bainer thought he had a deal worked out or a baseline for talks about a bill and then it all went up in smoke as back stabbers spoiled it before it began.

Please define which legislation they were blocking that was imperative to our economy, health and safety. The only legislation that I am aware of that they blocked was big progressive spending bills meant to further entrench our economy with yet more and larger social programs that do nothing but enslave those dependent upon them.

most of infrastructure was picked a part or discarded.
and the agreement to pay for bills they already voted for.


I was speaking about those malcontents that would go to tea party rallies and hold up signs about hating blacks and other inflammatory messages meant to paint the tea party in a negative light. They were generally quickly exposed and disowned by real tea party members, but generally there was a news reporter nearby that would falsely report how evil the tea party was.
the teaparty started out grassroots and was quickly usurped by rabble rousers working for lobbyists


So all those tea party groups that were singled out and denied 501(c)3 status, which by the way was never denied to progressive groups, didn’t happen? none of those were denied ; that is correctThere are many examples of groups that NEVER got their legal tax status.that is simply not true I’m sorry, but that has NOTHING do to with trying to cripple our revenue collecting department.

actually it was to cripple the irs-favor turned against them enough to limit their ability to operate fully functionally so today-in real time-
those point one percenters who don't get off scott free legally , get away because the irs is too bogged down.
the same tactics crippled acorn who you probably still think did something wrong.


You got any proof of that? Please share if you do.

ted cruz, mike lee, mike crapo, etc. , and didnt they threaten to primary orin hatch?

Alex Jones is a nut job. I don’t know of anyone on the political right that has anything to do with that moron. well you are not talking to enough republicans.

Mitch McConnell is a progressive in Republican clothing and by all rights, should run as a Democrat.
never in your lifetime
As for Ted Cruz, he is a strict Constitutionalist, so I can see why those on the left don’t like him.
his own interpretation i suppose which is too far out for
most republicans

He believes in the rule of law and abiding by the principles of the Constitution that this great country was founded upon.
if so he would have called for trump's impeachment already.
no ted is out for ted

Limbaugh is an entertainer and is just 1 voice against the all powerful MSM consisting of ABC, NBC, CBS, MSNBC, CNN, etc.

he makes them look like saints and i dont like them either..
look, you are going to have to start referring to foxnews as mainstream because they are numero uno for ancient folk still among us and gospel to a younger generation of 40ish year olds.
but yeah he is very influential and mean spirited

I know the left can’t stand that there is a conservative voice out there, but they need to get over it.
rush limbaugh is as conservative as a flake of feces.
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You should leave because you are not progressive. The right is regressive
Well, since being "Progressive" means dismissing and disparaging the foundational principles of the Constitution and constantly seeking to violate the limits on government established by the compact, I'd rather fall on the side of "regressive".
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Well, since being "Progressive" means dismissing and disparaging the foundational principles of the Constitution and constantly seeking to violate the limits on government established by the compact, I'd rather fall on the side of "regressive".
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Obama is the one that stated that the Constitution as a “charter of negative liberties.” What do you think he meant by that? What he was saying is that the Constitution tied the hands of the gov’t to the point the gov’t could not act to take from some groups and give to others without just cause. When he spoke of “fundamentally transforming” this country, what do you think he meant? He wanted to CHANGE our Constitution to allow him to implement this change.
immediately after that he said: "It says what the states can’t do to you, it says what the federal government can’t do to you, but it doesn’t say what the federal government or the state government must do on your behalf"
in a stand alone statement out of context that sounded scary, however you can see he was having a philosophical discussion about government. much as jefferson or adams would have had. they often disagreed but it didnt mean either was a subversive
Hilarious.

What Obama said was that the most important foundational principle of the Constitution (conferred powers and retained rights) was a flaw and needed to be corrected in order to achieve social and economic justice.

Obama lamented that as "radical" as the Warren Court was in awarding political rights to dispossessed people, it did not demand the governmental establishment of second generation social / cultural / economic rights, AKA "positive rights" . . . That even the radical Warren Court was bound by the structural and legal constraints of the Constitution.

Obama knew then and admitted that to provide second generation "positive rights", (what government must do on behalf of its citizens), the nature of the US constitutional system must be fundamentally changed. He recognized those "rights" have no presence in our form of government (they are a product of Marxist philosophy).

To equate Obama's Marxist musings with the Lockean tenets espoused by Jefferson or Adams (or Madison) is just neo-leftist statist authoritarian (AKA "Progressive") evil machination, seeking to extinguish the Constitution.

And please, learn how to use the quote function.

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Admit you are racist and stop the BS double speak
To elect someone to office based on the color of their skin is about as racist as one can be. Truth.

Your knee jerk insults are not an intelligent response to the truth. No surprise there as telling a fool the truth only makes them mad.

Everything I stated is factual.
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Negative liberty

Negative liberty is freedom from interference by other people. Negative liberty is primarily concerned with freedom from external restraint and contrasts with positive liberty (the possession of the power and resources to fulfil one's own potential). According to Thomas Hobbes, "a free man is he that in those things which by his strength and will he is able to do is not hindered to do what he hath the will to do" (Leviathan, Part 2, Ch. XXI; thus alluding to liberty in its negative sense).

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