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Old 03-13-2017, 07:07 AM
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Two Centuries of US Immigration Visualized

Very telling, we are being over run by immigration like we have never been.

What is happening now is quite evident looking at the map and time line. Time to slow the flow, and put limits to immigration.

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Two Centuries of US Immigration Visualized

Very telling, we are being over run by immigration like we have never been.

What is happening now is quite evident looking at the map and time line. Time to slow the flow, and put limits to immigration.

Regards, Kirk
Kinda looks like were reverting back to the original color of the inhabitants that we stole from eh?
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Kinda looks like were reverting back to the original color of the inhabitants that we stole from eh?
Agreed!!
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Kinda looks like were reverting back to the original color of the inhabitants that we stole from eh?
Yes, except your side wants us to be a third world Muslim hell hole.

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Two Centuries of US Immigration Visualized

Very telling, we are being over run by immigration like we have never been.

What is happening now is quite evident looking at the map and time line. Time to slow the flow, and put limits to immigration.

Regards, Kirk
Really? I had to do a little spot checking on this claim.

In 1850 the US population was 23,191,876 and between 1850-1859 we had 2,814,554 immigrants that increased the population by 12.13% with the three top countries of immigration being Ireland, Germany, and the UK.

In 1900 the US population was 76,212,168 and between 1900-1909 we had 8,202,388 immigrants that increased the population by 10.76% with the three top countries of immigration being Italy, Russia, and Hungary.

In 1950 the US population was 161,325,798 and between 1950-1959 we had 2,499,268 immigrants that increased the population by 1.55% with the three top countries of immigration being Germany, Canada, and Mexico.

In 2000 the US population was 291,421,906 and between 2000-2009 we had 10,299,430 immigrants that increased the population by 3.53% with the three top countries of immigration being Mexico, Other Asia, and China.

U.S. Population, 1790-2000: Always Growing

Thomas Jefferson established the most important criteria when it comes to immigration policy:

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"Shall we refuse the unhappy fugitives from distress that hospitality which the savages of the wilderness extended to our fathers arriving in this land? Shall oppressed humanity find no asylum on this globe? The Constitution, indeed, has wisely provided that for admission to certain offices of important trust a residence shall be required sufficient to develop character and design. But might not the general character and capabilities of a citizen be safely communicated to every one manifesting a bona fide purpose of embarking his life and fortunes permanently with us?" --Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801. ME 3:338
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The ability of the American citizens to communicate our "general character and capabilities" is based upon the percentage of immigrants to the existing population. The more immigrants per citizen that come to America the more difficult it becomes to communicate what being an American is all about.

As the spot analysis provides the percentage of immigrants relative to population was roughly 3-times higher in 1850 and 1900 than it was in 1950 and 2000.

What I noticed was the change in who was coming to the United States. Assuming "Russia" referred to Eastern European Russians, that I believe is an accurate assumption, then up until 1950 all of the top three contributors to US immigration were overwhelmingly White Christians. It wasn't until 1950 when "Mexico" slipped in at the bottom of the top three countries and then in 2000 none of the top three countries were representative of "White Christians" immigrating to the United States.

It isn't that we have too many immigrants to assimilate into becoming Americans because the percentage of immigrants to resident population is actually quite low historically.

The objection appears to be based upon racism and religious intolerance because the top three countries are no longer White Christian nations.

Now there could be another reason I'm unaware of but with the percentage of immigrants being so low relative to the resident population in 1950 and 2000 when compared to 1850 and 1900 we know that the claim "we are being over run by immigration like we have never been" is pure BS.

PS I've read that a 1% increase per year is both an acceptable and preferred rate of increase for immigration. It's very easy to assimilate the 1% of new Americans not only into our American political ideology but into our economy where immigrants are desperately needed to keep fueling our economic growth, paying taxes (2nd generation immigrants statistically pay higher taxes than other Americans), and creating jobs for the resident American population.
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Yes, except your side wants us to be a third world Muslim hell hole.

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The objection appears to be based upon racism and religious intolerance because the top three countries are no longer White Christian nations.
There even appears to be clear evidence in this thread as to what the objection is.

It's rather interesting because Muslims that immigrate to the United States are highly supportive of freedom of religion and are extremely tolerant of other religions.

We see that evidence in Muslims elsewhere. The Palestinian Arabs, overwhelmingly Muslim, have always supported freedom of religion and have never disparaged the Jews. They never objected to "Jews" but instead object to Europeans that invaded their country with the intent of taking it away from them by force. The PLO charter explicitly establishes that a "Palestinian Jew" is no different than a "Palestinian Arab" and that discrimination based upon religion is intolerable. Not once in the PLO Charter does it say anything about Muslims or Muslim supremacy in Palestine.

It's within the White Protestant Christian native born American population where we find opposition to freedom of religion and religious intolerance. It's within this group where we find that 57% of Republicans want to dismantle the Constitution by eliminating Freedom of Religion from the First Amendment so that they can impose a Christian (Protestant) Theocracy in the United States. 57% Of Republicans Say Dismantle Constitution And Make Christianity National Religion

Why do so many "right-wingers" in America oppose religious freedom when the very origin of the United States was based upon those fleeing religious persecution?

My maternal ancestors immigrated to American in about 1750 to escape religious persecution in England. My wife's maternal ancestors fled Eastern Europe right after WW I immigrating to the United States to escape religious persecution. If anything is core to being an American it's religious tolerance and a firm belief in Freedom of Religion so why have so many on the right abandoned that fundamental American belief? That puzzles me deeply.

The PLO has a greater commitment to protecting Freedom of Religion and Religious Tolerance than many American Republicans have today.
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There even appears to be clear evidence in this thread as to what the objection is.

It's rather interesting because Muslims that immigrate to the United States are highly supportive of freedom of religion and are extremely tolerant of other religions.
What...a...crock...of...SHlT!

That is too stupid to even discuss.
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Kinda looks like were reverting back to the original color of the inhabitants that we stole from eh?
Who did you steal from and what did you steal? when I say you, I mean you and I and the rest of us in America. I don't remember stealing anything, please set me straight.
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Who did you steal from and what did you steal? when I say you, I mean you and I and the rest of us in America. I don't remember stealing anything, please set me straight.
Yep. The responsibility for the sins and mistakes and actual bad deeds or good deeds of forefathers and foremothers do not get passed down to descendants, though we enjoy or rue the legacy.
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