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Old 03-15-2017, 02:01 PM
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Christians are the majority of the nation sweetie...

Majority rules here. Get the picture?

So tell me why would a Christian majority allow the growth of Muslims to the point they can not co-exist?

Even when history clearly shows us they can't....

Because liberals are to brain dead to see the truth?

Liberals amaze me with their supposed stupidity. Unless there is a hidden agenda.

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I always hear from the left that America is or was a bad country that took advantage of the world. Are we supposed to punish ourselves? I can never get a straight answer on that. it has always bothered me. And your not helping one bit.
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I always hear from the left that America is or was a bad country that took advantage of the world. Are we supposed to punish ourselves? I can never get a straight answer on that. it has always bothered me. And your not helping one bit.
You might consider posting a thread titled"the left that America is or was a bad country that took advantage of the world."

More than likely you'll get a few likes and maybe a few comments from yer fellow tRumpsters.
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You might consider posting a thread titled"the left that America is or was a bad country that took advantage of the world."

More than likely you'll get a few likes and maybe a few comments from yer fellow tRumpsters.
oh brother, and here I thought you could tell me. Never mind, I have never taken anything from anyone, so I don't feel guilty. You can carry the guilt for both of us, OK?
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oh brother, and here I thought you could tell me. Never mind, I have never taken anything from anyone, so I don't feel guilty. You can carry the guilt for both of us, OK?
You don’t wanna START the circle jerk thread? I can't say that I blame ya; who knows who will show up.
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Muslims are the most intolerant religion ever to grace the face of our planet.
I'd not go that far as to say it's "the most tolerant religion ever" as I've read of others but religious tolerance is certainly a tenet of the Muslim religion as established by their "Prophet Muhammad" during his lifetime.

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You always for get that FACT. It is in fact not a religion but a state that allows only one Religion. That is the entire truth of the matter.
That is true and this is a good place to refer to Muslim beliefs because the Prophet Muhammad eventually became a political leader and had to address the issues of multiple religions under his government.

This will require a little reading but because so many Christian Americans lack any real knowledge of the teachings of Islam a little truth from the religion itself warrants the time required to read about it.

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Many mistakenly believe that Islam does not tolerate the existence of other religions present in the world.* This article discusses some of the foundations the Prophet Muhammad himself laid in dealing with people of other faiths, with practical examples from his lifetime.* Part 1: Examples of religious tolerance for people of other faiths found in the constitution which the Prophet laid in Medina.

The dealings of the Prophet, may the mercy and blessings of God be upon him, with other religions can best be described in the verse of the Quran:
“To you be your religion, to me be mine.”

The Arabian Peninsula during the time of the Prophet was a region in which various faiths were present.* There were Christians, Jews, Zoroastrians, polytheists, and others not affiliated with any religion.* When one looks into the life of the Prophet, one may draw on many examples to portray the high level of tolerance shown to people of other faiths.

In order to understand and judge this tolerance, one must look into the period in which Islam was a formal state, with the specific laws laid down by the Prophet in accordance with the tenets of religion.* Even though one can observe many examples of tolerance shown by the Prophet in the thirteen years of his stay in Mecca, one may incorrectly think that it was only due to seeking to raise the profile of *the Muslims and the social status of Islam and in general.* For this reason, the discussion will be limited to the period which commenced with the migration of the Prophet to Medina, and specifically once the constitution was set.

The Saheefah

The best example of the tolerance shown by the Prophet to other religions may be the constitution itself, called the ‘Saheefah’ by early historians.[1]* When the Prophet migrated to Medina, his role as a mere religious leader ended; he was now the political leader of a state, governed by the precepts of Islam, which demanded that clear laws of governance be laid out to ensure harmony and stability in a society which once had been distraught by decades of war, one which must ensure the peaceful coexistence of Muslims, Jews, Christians and polytheists.* Due to this, the Prophet laid down a ‘constitution’ which detailed the responsibilities of all parties which resided in Medina, their obligations towards each other, and certain restrictions which were placed on each.* All parties were to obey what was mentioned therein, and any breach of its articles was regarded as an act of treachery.

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The first article of the constitution was that all the inhabitants of Medina, the Muslims as well as those who had entered the pact from the Jews, Christian, and idolaters, were “one nation to the exclusion of all others.”* All were considered members and citizens of Medina society regardless of religion, race, or ancestry.* People of other faiths were protected from harm as much as the Muslims, as is stated in another article, “To the Jews who follow us belong help and equity.* He shall not be harmed nor his enemies be aided.” *Previously, each tribe had their alliances and enemies within and without Medina.* The Prophet gathered these different tribes under one system of governance which upheld pacts of alliances previously in existence between those individual tribes.* All tribes had to act as a whole with disregard to individual alliances.* Any attack on other religion or tribe was considered an attack on the state and upon the Muslims as well.

The lives of the practitioners of other religions in the Muslim society was also given protective status.* The Prophet said:

“Whoever kills a person who has a truce with the Muslims will never smell the fragrance of Paradise.” (Saheeh Muslim)

Since the upper hand was with the Muslims, the Prophet strictly warned against any maltreatment of people of other faiths.* He said:

“Beware! *Whoever is cruel and hard on a non-Muslim minority, or curtails their rights, or burdens them with more than they can bear, or takes anything from them against their free will; I (Prophet Muhammad) will complain against the person on the Day of Judgment.” (Abu Dawud)
The Tolerance of the Prophet towards Other Religions (All parts) - The Religion of Islam

Good reading and I'd suggest that others read the rest of the linked information.

That's all well and good but that's from the 7th Century so what do we see today? I would suggest looking at the Palestinians that are predominately Muslims and the PLO Charter from 1964.

PLO Charter (1964) - Official Palestinian charters | PMW

The PLO Charter doesn't mention the religion of Islam but instead refers to who is a "Palestinian" in Article 6 and Article 7:

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Article 6: The Palestinians are those Arab citizens who were living normally in Palestine up to 1947, whether they remained or were expelled. Every child who was born to a Palestinian Arab father after this date, whether in Palestine or outside, is a Palestinian.

Article 7: Jews of Palestinian origin are considered Palestinians if they are willing to live peacefully and loyally in Palestine.
The PLO didn't have any problem with Jews based upon their ethnic heritage or their religion. In the PLO Charter they have a problem with Zionists that were Europeans that came to Palestine and by force militarily occupied Palestine that was the home of Palestinian Arabs and Palestinian Jews and Palestinian whatever's. It didn't matter of the Zionists were Jews or Martians they had no right to invade Palestine and occupy Palestinian territory by force.

The Palestinian Arabs today do not have religious intolerance towards Jews. The Palestinian Arabs have political intolerance of Zionists.
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I have no problem with white protestant Christian rule over our nation. It was they who in fact founded our nation, if you care to look at history. Christians should rule here over all other religions. We should allow others for sure, but severely limit their growth, and keep them in check. I have little issue with that, as it will lead to a more stable and peaceful society.

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I've written five responses to this and deleted each one. I've decided to simply share a few facts with you.

My maternal ancestors fled Christian persecution in England hoping to find religious freedom and tolerance in the colonies in about 1750 and they participated in the American Revolution, in a large part, to ensure religious liberty for all religions.

My wife's family immigrated to the United States soon after WW I to escape Christian persecution in Eastern Europe seeking the religious freedom that our Constitution protects.

You have no idea how offensive your statement is to me. To even suggest "Protestant/Christian Supremacy" with it's inescapable inherent tyranny goes far beyond anything remotely acceptable to anyone who's family came to America to escape Protestant/Christian tyranny.
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I always hear from the left that America is or was a bad country that took advantage of the world. Are we supposed to punish ourselves? I can never get a straight answer on that. it has always bothered me. And your not helping one bit.
I've never quite been sure of what the term "left" means but if it means liberal advocacy for the natural and civil rights of the people/person then I'm on the left.

The United States was founded based upon the liberal ideology of the natural and civil rights of the people/person. That governments are instituted among men to protect these rights and that the powers of government are based upon the consent of the governed is embodied in our Declaration of Independence. The earliest political era in America is called the era of Classical Liberalism.

As a nation and a people have we lived up to that ideology of natural and civil rights? Of course not. It's an ideal and an ideal is a utopian goal that is something to strive for that is, in all likelihood, unattainable. That never means you just quit and give up. It just means you have to work harder today and tomorrow in moving towards the goal.

So yes, we've failed many times and that has caused harm to both other people living around the world and to many of those living here in the United States. The past can never be changed but today and tomorrow can be changed. In striving to achieve the unobtainable utopian goal it requires us to acknowledge our failures from the past and to correct that which caused the failure so we can move forward. That's called being progressive - to move forward and progress in a systematic process.

Some can claim they have no personal guilt but as a society we share in the guilt. It is our responsibility as a society to address and correct that which caused our failures in the past as a society.

An example could be racism or religious intolerance. We might look at ourselves and say, "I've never been a racist and I've always been tolerant of all religious beliefs" and that could be true but unless we're actively fighting against racism and religious intolerance then we share in the guilt of the racism and religious intolerance that still exists in our society.

Our ideology is what makes the United States the greatest nation to ever exist and not our actions as a nation or a people. Only if we embrace that ideology, always working to achieve that unobtainable goal of the utopian world it represents, do we share in that greatness.

I don't know if that helps you find the answer but it's not a "doom and gloom" proposition but instead it's one of hope and commitment. It's not about punishing ourselves for the past but instead it's about correcting that which we know and acknowledge was wrong in the past so that it never happens again.
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I've written five responses to this and deleted each one. I've decided to simply share a few facts with you.

My maternal ancestors fled Christian persecution in England hoping to find religious freedom and tolerance in the colonies in about 1750 and they participated in the American Revolution, in a large part, to ensure religious liberty for all religions.

My wife's family immigrated to the United States soon after WW I to escape Christian persecution in Eastern Europe seeking the religious freedom that our Constitution protects.

You have no idea how offensive your statement is to me. To even suggest "Protestant/Christian Supremacy" with it's inescapable inherent tyranny goes far beyond anything remotely acceptable to anyone who's family came to America to escape Protestant/Christian tyranny.
A) What religion are you that your ancestors were persecuted in England? Most of continental Europe was Christian/Prodestant back then..

B) Is Islam a religion or is it in fact a Government with a religion that the Government insists upon?

C) Why do you want those who are anti Christian here in this country?

D) Do you believe in majority rules in this nation?

E) Were does your hate of white people stem from? What might you do personally to rid yourself of such hate?

Personally you have no idea how offensive to me it is that you wish to bring huge numbers of Muslims to our land. They wish to take our country from us, from within. If you don't believe me your a fool.

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A) What religion are you that your ancestors were persecuted in England? Most of continental Europe was Christian/Prodestant back then..

B) Is Islam a religion or is it in fact a Government with a religion that the Government insists upon?

C) Why do you want those who are anti Christian here in this country?

D) Do you believe in majority rules in this nation?

E) Were does your hate of white people stem from? What might you do personally to rid yourself of such hate?

Personally you have no idea how offensive to me it is that you wish to bring huge numbers of Muslims to our land. They wish to take our country from us, from within. If you don't believe me your a fool.

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