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You might try and discuss with actual words, rather than emoticons. I'd be interested in knowing what you are trying to say here.
I have placed some terms tat you Rightists couldn't understand - more than once!! I also lived in some times that your band-wagon personalities cannot and/or will not even try to understand.
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You yourself have posted that you have 'fear' under Trump.
That in trying to get the best deal for himself and his family, he is screwing us by some bungling and too much reliance on bannon. and partly by his own ignorance and greed.
he is attempting to position us into lowering sanctions on russia so exxon can go ahead with an oil contract. that will help russia immensely and hurt us and those we care about. Lowering sanctions will give a green light for putin to take ukraine and any other former ussr country that is now a struggling democracy. putin has already sent usurpers in to swarm the voting booths and scare the daylights out of ukraine with 'protection' under russian military.
trump also is giving his buddies rights to destroy land water now being used for hunting and recreation by us all. trees, rocks or water is not sacred even though it belongs to the American public.
Trump is lowering standards in good regulation. he has on his agenda getting rid of FDA approval of drugs that are not finished in testing yet. THALIDOMIDE that gave German and English babies flipper limbs, was the catalyzation of the beginnings of the rigorous drug approval and monitoring systems in place at the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) today.
https://helix.northwestern.edu/artic...and-regulation
Yet Trump trots out a deformed lady who he says is the victim of not allowing human trials of unapproved drugs.
That's two examples.
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What part of our structure is he supposedly trying to eliminate?
Also his infrastructure plan sounds as if it will be private toll roads and cost plus contractors.

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I am not a Trump supporter, I don't watch or listen to any of the crap media. The most objective news you can get is from foreign news.
It is political at times too, but mostly I agree.

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So, you don't view mandating the purchase of a private product by all citizens (socialism) as a push to the left. What do you think it is?
Do you view our interstate highway system socialism? It was paid for with taxes.
Medicare is paid for by payroll. just because congress stole a lot of it and now is crying that there is budget money going to make up the difference, doesn't mean it's socialism.
We indeed have social programs. every modern country does and every successful society has had them whether funding the arts or a dam to harness hydroelectric energy.
That doesn't make our government socialist. And it certainly doesn't hurt capitalism. But remember we are not a Capitalist country either. We are a tri branched democratic Republic. We are neither like Empiric Rome nor Golden Greece which each had a pure form of only one. We are unique. We have the rule of law but three branches OF GOVERNMENT. The LIBERTY TREE is the people. We are the government granted certain rights by providence/a creator. Can we deny part of our body water and expect the rest to live We've seen in the past corruption erupts when we try. Should we make each person strike out on his own to build a common bridge or equip a fire department? Cannot we come together and agree to fund such necessities a little out of each man's pocket? Whether a bridge or a kindergarten, I say we have that right not given to us by any but ourselves. And what if all do not agree? In the bylaws of most communities a majority vote may be cast. It is the same with some laws nationally. With others our elected representatives decide. If we don't like em we kick em out. If they act illegally their laws will be challenged in the courts...
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That in trying to get the best deal for himself and his family, he is screwing us by some bungling and too much reliance on bannon. and partly by his own ignorance and greed.
he is attempting to position us into lowering sanctions on russia so exxon can go ahead with an oil contract. that will help russia immensely and hurt us and those we care about. Lowering sanctions will give a green light for putin to take ukraine and any other former ussr country that is now a struggling democracy. putin has already sent usurpers in to swarm the voting booths and scare the daylights out of ukraine with 'protection' under russian military.
trump also is giving his buddies rights to destroy land water now being used for hunting and recreation by us all. trees, rocks or water is not sacred even though it belongs to the American public.
Trump is lowering standards in good regulation. he has on his agenda getting rid of FDA approval of drugs that are not finished in testing yet. THALIDOMIDE that gave German and English babies flipper limbs, was the catalyzation of the beginnings of the rigorous drug approval and monitoring systems in place at the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) today.
https://helix.northwestern.edu/artic...and-regulation
Yet Trump trots out a deformed lady who he says is the victim of not allowing human trials of unapproved drugs.
That's two examples.


Also his infrastructure plan sounds as if it will be private toll roads and cost plus contractors.


It is political at times too, but mostly I agree.


Do you view our interstate highway system socialism? It was paid for with taxes.
Medicare is paid for by payroll. just because congress stole a lot of it and now is crying that there is budget money going to make up the difference, doesn't mean it's socialism.
We indeed have social programs. every modern country does and every successful society has had them whether funding the arts or a dam to harness hydroelectric energy.
That doesn't make our government socialist. And it certainly doesn't hurt capitalism. But remember we are not a Capitalist country either. We are a tri branched democratic Republic. We are neither like Empiric Rome nor Golden Greece which each had a pure form of only one. We are unique. We have the rule of law but three branches OF GOVERNMENT. The LIBERTY TREE is the people. We are the government granted certain rights by providence/a creator. Can we deny part of our body water and expect the rest to live We've seen in the past corruption erupts when we try. Should we make each person strike out on his own to build a common bridge or equip a fire department? Cannot we come together and agree to fund such necessities a little out of each man's pocket? Whether a bridge or a kindergarten, I say we have that right not given to us by any but ourselves. And what if all do not agree? In the bylaws of most communities a majority vote may be cast. It is the same with some laws nationally. With others our elected representatives decide. If we don't like em we kick em out. If they act illegally their laws will be challenged in the courts...
Let me pick on your 'infrastructure' statement.

You are not penalized for not using it, nor are you required to use it. You have alternatives, to be used at your discretion.

Medicare, of which I have no problem, was intended to help our elderly and infirm... the social instinct of an educated people. It was not intended to be a Ponzi scheme, which it has turned into, and of which many claim as their 'due'. Personally, I feel both Medicare and Social Security should be a means tested program.

The governmental pillage of the coffers was base line wrong, but not a single administration has seen fit to address the situation. I wonder why that is.

In general, things such as infrastructure are not socialism.... the federal government does not hold the only means to navigate this country. Perhaps the speediest way, but not the only.

Fire departments, Emergency workers, are for the general benefit, and you have the option to not use them for yourself or your property, as long as you do not endanger others in doing so.

Mandating the purchase of a product from a private source, or be penalized for not doing so, is not for the benefit of the individual. We were given no option.
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Great he wants to bring us back to the 18th century where slavery was legal, genocide was a policy and women had no rights...
Even for you, Winston, that outright lie is a stretch.

It does, however, fall in line with the mind set of a liberal when someone disagrees with them.
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I have placed some terms tat you Rightists couldn't understand - more than once!! I also lived in some times that your band-wagon personalities cannot and/or will not even try to understand.
You might try and discuss with actual words, rather than emoticons. I'd be interested in knowing what you are trying to say here.
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Let me pick on your 'infrastructure' statement.

You are not penalized for not using it, nor are you required to use it. You have alternatives, to be used at your discretion.

Medicare, of which I have no problem, was intended to help our elderly and infirm... the social instinct of an educated people. It was not intended to be a Ponzi scheme, which it has turned into, and of which many claim as their 'due'. Personally, I feel both Medicare and Social Security should be a means tested program.

The governmental pillage of the coffers was base line wrong, but not a single administration has seen fit to address the situation. I wonder why that is.

In general, things such as infrastructure are not socialism.... the federal government does not hold the only means to navigate this country. Perhaps the speediest way, but not the only.

Fire departments, Emergency workers, are for the general benefit, and you have the option to not use them for yourself or your property, as long as you do not endanger others in doing so.

Mandating the purchase of a product from a private source, or be penalized for not doing so, is not for the benefit of the individual. We were given no option.
Picking more on Salty's interstate comparison. Facilitating interstate travel is one of the 3 or 4 tasks assigned to the Feds by the Constitution. Providing handouts is not.

Medicare is a government facilitated insurance policy not paid for out of the general fund. SS is similar. Both at least in theory funded by contributions from it's users.

The interstate system and the air traffic system are two among the few the federal government got right.
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Picking more on Salty's interstate comparison. Facilitating interstate travel is one of the 3 or 4 tasks assigned to the Feds by the Constitution. Providing handouts is not.

Medicare is a government facilitated insurance policy not paid for out of the general fund. SS is similar. Both at least in theory funded by contributions from it's users.

The interstate system and the air traffic system are two among the few the federal government got right.


There are many benefits to the construction of our interstate system. But, it's primary justification by President Eisenhower was based on the primary purpose of the Government,,,; Defense of the nation.

A system of super roads with which military equipment, supplies, and personnel could be swiftly moved about to defend the nation.

Medicare and Social Security are "entitlements" AKA positive rights. The Constitution is based on negative rights with which people are "born" They cost nothing but the price of defending them. No positive rights are granted in the Constitution. They are created by the legislature and always involve TAXES.
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You might try and discuss with actual words, rather than emoticons. I'd be interested in knowing what you are trying to say here.
So I'm not the only one. Go figure.....
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You might try and discuss with actual words, rather than emoticons. I'd be interested in knowing what you are trying to say here.
I have: Did you not read what I said about it!!??
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