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Old 02-20-2017, 06:49 AM
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While the current administration is obsessed with banning Muslims, inventing "fake news" about the Bowling Green Massacre that never happened and a discredited Fox News Opinion that Sweden has a problem with Muslim immigrants based upon Anti-Muslim prejudice and religious-intolerance from the Alt-Right the real terrorist threat to America is being ignored.

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Inside a storefront Chinese restaurant in upstate New York, neon light from a multicolored window sign glowed on the face of an extremist plotting mass murder. He had been seeking backing for his attack and, at this small establishment in Scotia, was meeting with a man who had agreed to take part in his scheme to build a radiation device, a weapon of mass destruction that would slowly and painfully kill anyone who walked near it.

“Everything with respiration would be dead by morning,’’ the man who devised the attack told his confederate in tortured English. “How much sweeter could there be than a big stack of smelly bodies?”
The terrorist attack with a "dirty nuclear device" is certainly a scary prospect for America. It doesn't matter what your political ideology is this type of device that can murder hundreds or thousands of American is a real threat to our national security and our public safety.

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But there would be no attack. The purported accomplice at Ming’s Flavor restaurant in June 2012 was an FBI informant, and the discussion had been recorded. In the months that followed, another man joined the plot. Finally, in June 2013, with the conspirators hard at work on their ghastly weapon, armed FBI agents swooped in, storming a warehouse in Schaghticoke and arresting them.
Saved from this terrorist attack by the Obama Administration that was very much aware of this type of terrorist attack and the FBI was actively focused on identifying and preventing these terrorists from committing a heinous terrorist attack against Americans. Thank you Obama and the FBI.

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Their names were Glen and Eric.

Clearly, these were not the typical “Islamic terrorists” described in the boogeyman stories of American politicians who exploit fear for votes. Glendon Crawford, the industrial mechanic who conceived the plan, has all the panache of a Macy’s shoe salesman; Eric Feight, a software engineer who helped build the device, looks like a less impish version of Kurt Vonnegut. But their harmless appearance belies their beliefs—Crawford was a member of the Ku Klux Klan, and the plot he hatched with Feight involved killing scores of Muslims, as well as officials at the governor’s mansion in Albany, New York and at the White House.

They and untold thousands like them are the extremists who hide among us, the right-wing militants who, since 2002, have killed more people in the United States than jihadis have. In that time, according to New America, a Washington think tank, Islamists launched nine attacks that murdered 45, while the right-wing extremists struck 18 times, leaving 48 dead. These Americans thrive on hate and conspiracy theories, many fed to them by politicians and commentators who blithely blather about government concentration camps and impending martial law and plans to seize guns and other dystopian gibberish, apparently unaware there are people listening who don’t know it’s all lies. These extremists turn to violence—against minorities, non-Christians, abortion providers, government officials—in what they believe is a fight to save America. And that potential for violence is escalating every day.

“Law enforcement agencies in the United States consider anti-government violent extremists, not radicalized Muslims, to be the most severe threat of political violence that they face,” the Triangle Center on Terrorism and Homeland Security reported this past June, based on surveys of 382 law enforcement groups.

The problem is getting worse, although few outside of law enforcement know it.

RIGHT-WING EXTEMISTS ARE A BIGGER THREAT TO AMERICA THAN ISIS
Right-Wing Extremists Are a Bigger Threat to America Than ISIS

These terrorists, the preeminent threat to our security and safety, are hiding in plain sight. Many are routinely televised because they are in the audience at many of the Trump rallies that roar in approval whenever Donald Trump mentions the "Muslim" threat or the threat of "Mexicans" or the threat of exporting US jobs to "foreign countries" all of which they believe threatens their White Nationalist existence and it's based upon their prejudice against non-whites and non-Christians that motivates them to commit terrorism in America.

This doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned with potential Islamic terrorist attacks in the United States but instead that we need to focus on the primary source of terrorism in the United States first and foremost. The current focus on the "international Islamic terrorist" committing a terrorist attack in the United States, all of which have been prevented since 9/11/2001, while ignoring the most serious threat of terrorism in the United States is placing America in danger.
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Oh I don't know... about this garbage.

What I do know is that a lot of those you think are terrorists here are not so much now that the libtards have had their asses handed to them in the election.

A Republican President has soothed their sore butts, and transferred the azz hurt to the liberal left. It is now they, the progressive liberal who we should be in fear of a terrorist attack from today. The butt hurt (your sig Line Dennis) and all the unhinged talk and behavior is the danger to America today, along with the Muslim world take over "religion" in fact a government that is called 'religion" as a false front...

So from my pint of view we should be tracking progressive liberals, and the Muslims who are all mad and disappointed the American people booted out of political power. Those people in the OP are now happy with our country and with Trump. Your OP is from 3 years ago under Obama.

We are ALLOT happier now days.

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The Obama administration was so disconnected from reality the President couldn't even bring himself to say Muslim extremist but we are supposed to believe an assessment that domestic extremists are the biggest threat.
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While the current administration is obsessed with banning Muslims, inventing "fake news" about the Bowling Green Massacre that never happened and a discredited Fox News Opinion that Sweden has a problem with Muslim immigrants based upon Anti-Muslim prejudice and religious-intolerance from the Alt-Right the real terrorist threat to America is being ignored.



The terrorist attack with a "dirty nuclear device" is certainly a scary prospect for America. It doesn't matter what your political ideology is this type of device that can murder hundreds or thousands of American is a real threat to our national security and our public safety.



Saved from this terrorist attack by the Obama Administration that was very much aware of this type of terrorist attack and the FBI was actively focused on identifying and preventing these terrorists from committing a heinous terrorist attack against Americans. Thank you Obama and the FBI.


Right-Wing Extremists Are a Bigger Threat to America Than ISIS

These terrorists, the preeminent threat to our security and safety, are hiding in plain sight. Many are routinely televised because they are in the audience at many of the Trump rallies that roar in approval whenever Donald Trump mentions the "Muslim" threat or the threat of "Mexicans" or the threat of exporting US jobs to "foreign countries" all of which they believe threatens their White Nationalist existence and it's based upon their prejudice against non-whites and non-Christians that motivates them to commit terrorism in America.

This doesn't mean we shouldn't be concerned with potential Islamic terrorist attacks in the United States but instead that we need to focus on the primary source of terrorism in the United States first and foremost. The current focus on the "international Islamic terrorist" committing a terrorist attack in the United States, all of which have been prevented since 9/11/2001, while ignoring the most serious threat of terrorism in the United States is placing America in danger.
Muslim terrorists in one hour took out more Americans than all the other nut jobs in the history of the country. There's no way to know how many potential terrorists there are on either side, or how many radical Muslims are being let in the country by Obama's free entry policies, but until I know for a fact otherwise, I'm going to pay more attention Muslims.

Your last paragraph is pure nonsense. Muslims have been our highest risk threat. They still are. That needs to be the focus. You apparently forgot that bothersome workplace violence down in Texas, or the guy in Orlando who hated really bad dancers, to name a couple.
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The year old opinion piece by Eichenwald is long and meandering. References include New America, Triangle Center, and SLPC. Since that time, the deadliest terror attack since 9/11 happened in Orlando, targeting a gay nightspot by Omar Mateen.
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The year old opinion piece by Eichenwald is long and meandering. References include New America, Triangle Center, and SLPC. Since that time, the deadliest terror attack since 9/11 happened in Orlando, targeting a gay nightspot by Omar Mateen.
Which, incidently, took out more Americans than all those white supreemies Shiva keeps railing about since McVeigh.
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Normally the OP is on my ignore list,but I opened the initial thread out of curiosity. The absolute absurdity of that initial post reinforces why I generally choose to ignore him.
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Oh I don't know... about this garbage.

What I do know is that a lot of those you think are terrorists here are not so much now that the libtards have had their asses handed to them in the election.

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Is that anything like a leotard? Or is it a misspelling?
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Oh I don't know... about this garbage.

What I do know is that a lot of those you think are terrorists here are not so much now that the libtards have had their asses handed to them in the election.
This has nothing to do with the typical Republican or Democrat, elections, who's in the White House or who controls Congress.

This has to do with real terrorists that both Republicans and Democrats need to be concerned about. A person would have to be extremely foolish, stupid, or insane to focus on possible Muslim terrorists while ignoring terrorists like Dylan Roof committing mass murder in a church or the next Tim McVeigh blowing up a federal building and murdering hundred of people.

People can play all of the partisan BS games they want but to ignore this very real threat is beyond any sane approach to politics in the United States. We can only be thankful that law enforcement does take this threat seriously even when stupid politicians and their supporters don't.

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A Republican President has soothed their sore butts, and transferred the azz hurt to the liberal left. It is now they, the progressive liberal who we should be in fear of a terrorist attack from today. The butt hurt (your sig Line Dennis) and all the unhinged talk and behavior is the danger to America today, along with the Muslim world take over "religion" in fact a government that is called 'religion" as a false front...

So from my pint of view we should be tracking progressive liberals, and the Muslims who are all mad and disappointed the American people booted out of political power. Those people in the OP are now happy with our country and with Trump. Your OP is from 3 years ago under Obama.

We are ALLOT happier now days.

Regards, Kirk
Recent events have already established the opposite is occurring. Instead of the far right White Supremacists, White Nationalists and Neo-Nazis being placated by the election of Donald Trump they've become empowered and are organizing and more than ever committed to terrorist attacks against those they hate.

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Anti-Muslim Hate Groups Have Tripled With the Rise of Trump

A new report finds an unprecedented spike in Islamophobia over the past year.
Anti-Muslim Hate Groups Have Tripled With the Rise of Trump | Mother Jones

Instead of being placated they feel empowered, virtually invincible, to commit the most heinous actions imaginable in expressing their hatred against others.

The logic that with institutionalizing of racism and intolerance in government that it somehow brings peace and tranquility for the racist is contradicted by every case in history I'm aware of.

Simply ask yourself this question.

When the "Aryan" Nazis came to power in Germany during the 1930's did it increase or decrease the number, types, and severity of the attacks on the Jews by racists?
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This has nothing to do with the typical Republican or Democrat, elections, who's in the White House or who controls Congress.

This has to do with real terrorists that both Republicans and Democrats need to be concerned about. A person would have to be extremely foolish, stupid, or insane to focus on possible Muslim terrorists while ignoring terrorists like Dylan Roof committing mass murder in a church or the next Tim McVeigh blowing up a federal building and murdering hundred of people.

People can play all of the partisan BS games they want but to ignore this very real threat is beyond any sane approach to politics in the United States. We can only be thankful that law enforcement does take this threat seriously even when stupid politicians and their supporters don't.

Recent events have already established the opposite is occurring. Instead of the far right White Supremacists, White Nationalists and Neo-Nazis being placated by the election of Donald Trump they've become empowered and are organizing and more than ever committed to terrorist attacks against those they hate.


Anti-Muslim Hate Groups Have Tripled With the Rise of Trump | Mother Jones

Instead of being placated they feel empowered, virtually invincible, to commit the most heinous actions imaginable in expressing their hatred against others.

The logic that with institutionalizing of racism and intolerance in government that it somehow brings peace and tranquility for the racist is contradicted by every case in history I'm aware of.

Simply ask yourself this question.

When the "Aryan" Nazis came to power in Germany during the 1930's did it increase or decrease the number, types, and severity of the attacks on the Jews by racists?
You are trying to make a case that just isn't there. Muslims just in the US have killed many many more than white nationalists ever. A quick but totally incomplete count.

Roof - 9
McVeigh - 168

9/11 - 3,000
Orlando - Mateen (sp?) 48
Hood - Husan (sp?) - 13

Even ignoring the nutty drugged up kids shooting up schools and theaters, you can't come up with more than 4 or 500.

I will watch my back with both, but I'm especially watchful around Muslims.
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