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Washington (CNN)The Senate has silenced Elizabeth Warren.
And by doing so, majority Republicans just handed the liberal firebrand a megaphone -- further elevating President Donald Trump's fiercest and most prominent critic in the Senate and turning her into a Democratic hero.
The rebuke of Warren came after the Massachusetts Democrat read a letter written 30 years ago by Coretta Scott King, the widow of Martin Luther King Jr., opposing the nomination of Jeff Sessions for a federal judgeship.

Warren cited the letter during a debate on the nomination of Sessions -- now an Alabama senator -- as Donald Trump's attorney general. Reading from King's letter to members of the Senate Judiciary Committee in 1986, Warren said: "Mr. Sessions has used the awesome power of his office to chill the free exercise of the vote by black citizens in the district he now seeks to serve as a federal judge."
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Republicans cried foul -- charging that Warren violated Senate rules against impugning another senator. A vote along party lines upheld that decision, turning what could have been an ordinary late-night partisan floor speech for political devotees into a national story.
"They can shut me up, but they can't change the truth," Warren later told CNN's Don Lemon.

Warren is now forbidden from participating in the floor debate over Sessions' nomination ahead of a confirmation vote expected Wednesday.
"I literally can't be recognized on the floor of the Senate," she told Lemon. "I have become a nonperson during the discussion of Jeff Sessions."
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell defended evoking Rule 19, a rarely evoked chamber regulation that prohibits senators from impugning each other.
"She was warned. She was given an explanation. Nevertheless, she persisted," the Kentucky Republican said on the Senate floor, delivering an instantly classic line -- the kind liberals imagine being replayed ad nauseum in TV ads in a future presidential campaign.

It couldn't have come at a better time for Warren, who is up for re-election in 2018. On Tuesday, she announced she hired an aide who is an expert on national security, a move that could help burnish her expertise in that area, as well as the publication of a new book, which will become available in April.
Liberals had been frustrated with Warren's vote in committee in favor of Ben Carson, Trump's nominee for secretary of Housing and Urban Development.

No more.
By Tuesday night, the hashtag #LetLizSpeak was trending on Twitter.
Warren used Twitter to attack Sessions and McConnell.
"I will not be silent about a nominee for AG who has made derogatory & racist comments that have no place in our justice system," she wrote.
In a follow-up tweet, she said: "I will not be silent while the Republicans rubber stamp an AG who will never stand up to the @POTUS when he breaks the law."
And then: "Tonight @SenateMajLdr silenced Mrs King's voice on the Sen floor - & millions who are afraid & appalled by what's happening in our country."

Warren went straight from the Senate floor to a call-in appearance on Rachel Maddow's MSNBC show, a favorite of progressives. "I've been red-carded on Sen. Sessions. I'm out of the game of the Senate floor," she told Maddow.
She also read King's letter outside the Senate floor in a Facebook live video.
Meanwhile, the Democratic National Committee blasted out a supportive statement. Interim chairwoman Donna Brazile said: "It's a sad day in America when the words of Martin Luther King Jr.'s widow are not allowed on the floor of the United States Senate. Let Elizabeth Warren speak."
The moment became a rallying cry for fellow Democrats. California Sen. Kamala Harris took to the Senate floor to call the vote to silence Warren "outrageous."
"I never ever saw a time when a member of the Senate asked to put into the record a letter -- especially by a civil rights icon -- and somebody objected," said Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vermont.
The Senate descended into a series of complaints about declining decorum on both sides.
"We have to treat each other with respect or this place is going to devolve into a jungle," said seven-term Utah Republican Sen. Orrin Hatch.


Then Democrats brought out examples of Republicans who had crossed similar lines and not been shut up the way Warren was forbidden from participating.
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer's office highlighted Texas Sen. Ted Cruz's accusation that McConnell had told a "flat-out lie" about the future of the Export-Import Bank in 2015.
Warren sat on the Senate floor, though, silently. She had already had her moment.

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So, what would have been your reaction if someone with a R after their name and state had done the same during the prior administration?
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So, what would have been your reaction if someone with a R after their name and state had done the same during the prior administration?
They have. I didn't care or pay attention. But the right always feels victimized. Read the story. You will learn the right has done the same thing and nobody cared.
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They have. I didn't care or pay attention. But the right always feels victimized. Read the story. You will learn the right has done the same thing and nobody cared.
Since both sides have done this, and NOBODY CARED, why do you have an issue?
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Since both sides have done this, and NOBODY CARED, why do you have an issue?
Cause this is what stuck out in the article to me...
Then Democrats brought out examples of Republicans who had crossed similar lines and not been shut up the way Warren was forbidden from participating.
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer's office highlighted Texas Sen. Ted Cruz's accusation that McConnell had told a "flat-out lie" about the future of the Export-Import Bank in 2015.
Warren sat on the Senate floor, though, silently. She had already had her moment.
Nobody cares => no desire to impose this penalty on either side from Mikeyy or myself.
But Repubs want to hypocritically apply the penalty to the Democrat, cause it suits them.
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Waters, Pelosi and Warren are now named The Three Stooges | FM NewsTalk 97.1

Will we have four years of such "entertainment?"
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Evidently, she broke the rules. I think people see through her stunt and aren't impressed. It may have backfired on Warren or backfired on no one since we see this over and over again. There will be more boycotts and walkouts.
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Cause this is what stuck out in the article to me...
Then Democrats brought out examples of Republicans who had crossed similar lines and not been shut up the way Warren was forbidden from participating.
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer's office highlighted Texas Sen. Ted Cruz's accusation that McConnell had told a "flat-out lie" about the future of the Export-Import Bank in 2015.
Warren sat on the Senate floor, though, silently. She had already had her moment.
Nobody cares => no desire to impose this penalty on either side from Mikeyy or myself.
But Repubs want to hypocritically apply the penalty to the Democrat, cause it suits them.
Ah yes, the old false equivalence argument. Warren launches a personal attack on Sessions cloaked in a 30 year old letter but somehow that is the same as a heated exchange over policy.

When they were in the majority Democrats stood by silently while their leader Harry Reid launched smear after smear against Republicans such as Romney paid no taxes from the safety of the Senate floor. Harry is gone but Democrats like the fraudulent Native American still want free reign to continue their campaign of lies. Of course when Republicans take the entirely reasonable step of trying to reestablish the Senate as a deliberative body instead of a platform for Democrat smears, the out cry is censorship.
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Cause this is what stuck out in the article to me...
Then Democrats brought out examples of Republicans who had crossed similar lines and not been shut up the way Warren was forbidden from participating.
Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer's office highlighted Texas Sen. Ted Cruz's accusation that McConnell had told a "flat-out lie" about the future of the Export-Import Bank in 2015.
Warren sat on the Senate floor, though, silently. She had already had her moment.
Nobody cares => no desire to impose this penalty on either side from Mikeyy or myself.
But Repubs want to hypocritically apply the penalty to the Democrat, cause it suits them.
Two points...

1) According to the article, Warren was warned first...She was given a pass, and she decided to keep going...

2) Why do Republicans HAVE TO ALLOW rules to be broken simply based on Democrats ALLOWING to have the rules broken previously?...

That logic is absurd...The Democrats could've cried foul, at the time, for every example they're now using as a defense...They didn't...
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Since both sides have done this, and NOBODY CARED, why do you have an issue?
I wonder how many others noticed the same thing about that.
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