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DOVER AIR FORCE BASE, Delaware The US military said on Wednesday it was looking into whether more civilians were killed in a raid on Al Qaeda in Yemen on the weekend, in the first operation authorized by President Donald Trump as commander in chief.

US Navy SEAL William "Ryan" Owens died in the raid on a branch of Al Qaeda, also known as AQAP, in al Bayda province, which the Pentagon said also killed 14 militants. Medics at the scene, however, said about 30 people, including 10 women and children, were killed.

US Central Command said in a statement that an investigating team had "concluded regrettably that civilian noncombatants were likely killed" during Sunday's raid. It added that children may have been among the casualties.

Central Command said its assessment "seeks to determine if there were any still-undetected civilian casualties in the ferocious firefight."

US military officials told Reuters that Trump approved his first covert counterterrorism operation without sufficient intelligence, ground support, or adequate backup preparations.

As a result, three officials said, the attacking SEAL team found itself dropping onto a reinforced Al Qaeda base defended by landmines, snipers, and a larger-than-expected contingent of heavily armed Islamist extremists.

The Pentagon directed queries about the officials' characterization of the raid to US Central Command, which pointed only to its statement on Wednesday.

The US officials said the extremists' base had been identified as a target before the Obama administration left office on January 20, but President Barack Obama held off approving a raid ahead of his departure.

A White House official said the operation was thoroughly vetted by the previous administration and the previous defense secretary had signed off on it in January. The raid was delayed for operational reasons, the White House official said.

The military officials who spoke with Reuters on condition of anonymity said "a brutal firefight" took the lives of Owens and at least 15 Yemeni women and children. One of the dead was the 8-year-old daughter of Anwar al-Awlaki, a militant killed by a 2011 US drone strike.

Some of the women were firing at the US force, Pentagon spokesman Captain Jeff Davis told reporters.

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The American elite forces did not seize any militants or take any prisoners offsite, but White House spokesman Sean Spicer said on Wednesday the raid yielded benefits.

"Knowing that we killed an estimated 14 AQAP members and that we gathered an unbelievable amount of intelligence that will prevent the potential deaths or attacks on American soil is something that I think most service members understand, that that's why they joined the service, Spicer said.

A senior leader in Yemen's Al Qaeda branch, Abdulraoof al-Dhahab, and other militants were killed in the gunfight, Al Qaeda said.

One of the three US officials said on-the-ground surveillance of the compound was "minimal, at best."

"The decision was made ... to leave it to the incoming administration, partly in the hope that more and better intelligence could be collected," that official said.

As Sunday's firefight intensified, the raiders called in Marine helicopter gunships and Harrier jump jets, and then two MV-22 Osprey vertical-takeoff-and-landing aircraft to extract the SEALs.

One of the two suffered engine failure, two of the officials said, and hit the ground so hard that two crew members were injured, and one of the Marine jets had to launch a precision-guided bomb to destroy it.

Trump traveled to Dover Air Force Base in Delaware on Wednesday in an unexpected visit to meet with the family of Owens, who had been a chief special warfare operator.

US officials: Trump approved Yemen raid 'without sufficient intelligence' - Business Insider
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Well how many investigations did we have over Benghazi? Isn't it time to stand for our military to see what went wrong here? I'm going to guess the right here now thinks that is not needed.
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Well how many investigations did we have over Benghazi? Isn't it time to stand for our military to see what went wrong here? I'm going to guess the right here now thinks that is not needed.
That's what you get for guessing. The mission will be studied to see what went wrong.

I have to ask, though, what would you consider a successful mission?

The body count was 14-1 on combatants. Plus some women also firing on our troops. We apparently scored boatloads of valuable data. Which Mikeyy claims will never ne looked at because RW and President Trump.
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That's what you get for guessing. The mission will be studied to see what went wrong.

I have to ask, though, what would you consider a successful mission?

The body count was 14-1 on combatants. Plus some women also firing on our troops. We apparently scored boatloads of valuable data. Which Mikeyy claims will never ne looked at because RW and President Trump.
Learning the extent of how little Trump cared about the raid he ordered and the lives he put on the line is the problem.

The Commander in Chief was literally tweeting this:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...90087857995776

While the Raid was going down.

Can we stop defending this shi* yet?
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Learning the extent of how little Trump cared about the raid he ordered and the lives he put on the line is the problem.

The Commander in Chief was literally tweeting this:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...90087857995776

While the Raid was going down.

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Which has exactly zero to do with what I posted.

Your an idiot.
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Which has exactly zero to do with what I posted.

Your an idiot.
Yeah, you got nothing as usual.

What you posted is stupid. Because there's no real good or valid answer for that without knowing all the variables. But you probably already knew that, that's why you posted it.
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Learning the extent of how little Trump cared about the raid he ordered and the lives he put on the line is the problem.

The Commander in Chief was literally tweeting this:

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/...90087857995776

While the Raid was going down.

Can we stop defending this shi* yet?
I don't know what that's supposed to do with a raid in Yemen.

Should President Trump have been giving a blow by blow account in a public venue?

If your answer is yes, then you need to explain why the public did not get a blow by blow when a similar raid took out Bin Ladin or when our embassy and Ambassador was going up in flames in Ben Ghazi.
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Yeah, you got nothing as usual.

What you posted is stupid. Because there's no real good or valid answer for that without knowing all the variables. But you probably already knew that, that's why you posted it.
Your blathering. Nothing to add?
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I can't read Jimbo but I will bet he is calling on Trey Gowdy to hold hearings.
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I noticed that in Jimbo's account no children died and the woman were all armed and shooting. That is why I quit dealing with him. He tells tales like Trump
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While the Raid was going down.

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