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No he didn't. Obama never vetoed the mission. He put the mission on hold. I'm not sure why. I find nothing to indicate a reason.

What's also missing from the articles I've read is that 14 militants were killed and lots of valuable data was seized. In addition some of those civilian women were firing on the SEALS.
Yeah, he did whats called a pocket veto.
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Yeah, he did whats called a pocket veto.
No it isn't. You're just making Shlt up hoping nobody will notice.

Pocket Veto:

an indirect veto of a legislative bill by the president or a governor by retaining the bill unsigned until it is too late for it to be dealt with during the legislative session.

I notice.
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No it isn't. You're just making Shlt up hoping nobody will notice.

Pocket Veto:

an indirect veto of a legislative bill by the president or a governor by retaining the bill unsigned until it is too late for it to be dealt with during the legislative session.

I notice.
Wrong as usual Jimbo.

[Colonel John] Thomas said he did not know why the prior administration did not authorize the operation, but said the Obama administration had effectively exercised a "pocket veto" over it.

A former official said the operation had been reviewed several times, but the underlying intelligence was not judged strong enough to justify the risks, and the case was left to the incoming Trump administration to make its own judgment.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lled-al-awlaki
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Yeah, he did whats called a pocket veto.
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Wrong as usual Jimbo.

[Colonel John] Thomas said he did not know why the prior administration did not authorize the operation, but said the Obama administration had effectively exercised a "pocket veto" over it.

A former official said the operation had been reviewed several times, but the underlying intelligence was not judged strong enough to justify the risks, and the case was left to the incoming Trump administration to make its own judgment.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lled-al-awlaki
Did you even read your own Guardian post? Might be worth a read. Thomas casts the raid in favorable light.

But no, pocket veto does not mean delaying, even temporarily.
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Did you even read your own Guardian post? Might be worth a read. Thomas casts the raid in favorable light.

But no, pocket veto does not mean delaying, even temporarily.

Yeah, thats exactly what it means. Did you even read the definition you posted?
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Yeah, thats exactly what it means. Did you even read the definition you posted?
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Wrong as usual Jimbo.

[Colonel John] Thomas said he did not know why the prior administration did not authorize the operation, but said the Obama administration had effectively exercised a "pocket veto" over it.

A former official said the operation had been reviewed several times, but the underlying intelligence was not judged strong enough to justify the risks, and the case was left to the incoming Trump administration to make its own judgment.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...lled-al-awlaki
According to the OP the Obama administration approved the raid but did not act upon it.

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A Trump administration official said the operation was thoroughly vetted and that the previous defense secretary had signed off on it in January. The raid was delayed for operational reasons, the White House official said.
So, the characterization of a pocket veto is incorrect, Obama did not follow his typical policy of voting "present" instead there were operational reasons why the mission wasn't executed until after Trump took office. Trump is responsible since he signed off on the mission but no doubt the approval of the Obama administration factored into his thinking.

The mission lost an aircraft, killed civiliana and captured valuable intelligence. That's true of this raid and Obama's triumphal Osama bin Laden raid. Funniest thing, the civilian casualties or the loss of the stealth aircraft were no detriment to the full throated victory dance in the media but the same results are spun up into gross negligence under Trump.

It is tragic whenever a US military member looses their life in the line of duty but this case ought to remind us of the risks of serving and prompt renewed expressions of gratitude. Instead, never Trumpers pervert what ought to be a solemn occasion into yet another unfounded outpouring of hate.
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Actually, Trump is the one that made it a political issue. Let me explain.


Okay, so at least there was one military mind in the mix. But why is his son-in-law & Bannon in on the decision making for something like this?




Why? Why were they lacking the intelligence? Who was supposed to get it to them?

Why did Trump "rush" the decision, acting without complete intell? Why were his propaganda minister and butt kissing son in law involved?

Politics. PR that's why. He wanted a quick success so he could appear to be fulfilling his promise to "destroy ISIS the first week.

He shot craps and he lost.......well Chief Petty Officer William "Ryan" Owens and an 8 year old American girl named Nora really lost (their lives)...but oh well, Trump has to face some criticism *gasp*, for an op that shouldn't have gone through. Aww..Poor Trump.

The ugly truth is that political will has always pivoted on the bodies of freshly fallen soldiers. And, in truth, that's not a bad thing and it doesn't cheapen their sacrifice. It's the recognition of the cost paid that causes people to use a death to make a point, whether it's a just point or not. Hopefully Trump will use a little more caution next time before putting soldiers in harms way. I hope that phone call he made to Owens parents wears on him, as it should.
As usual you make false assumptions to cast Trump in the very worst light your fevered imagination can conjure up. In this case you assume the raid was the one and only topic discussed at the dinner, that is extremely unlikely but it feeds your rabid hatred for Trump so off you go.

Trump approved the raid over dinner but that doesn’t mean that was the full extent of discussion about it. Hmmm, it would be nice if Trump had the advice of someone experienced in this kind of operation such as the architect of the highly successful "killing machine" in Iraq. Oh wait, that description fits Trump's national security advisor perfectly.

No doubt you recall Obama announcing he'd committed the US military to combat in support of the Libyan rebels at a press conference in Brazil. Obama did not bother to seek Congressional approval even dregging up a lawyer from the bowels of the Federal bureaucracy to justify defying the war powers act 60 day limit before requiring Congessional approval. Of course Obama's rash decision to aid the terrorist rebels turning Libya into a "s%@# show" was nothing compared to Trump's approval of a raid to obtain intelligence.
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