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Old 10-18-2008, 07:14 PM
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Perhaps this will bring the issue of "socialism" to the forefront in our politics.

There is ALREADY many forms of socialism in the U.S. - there is NOTHING more socialistic (redistribution of wealth) than the U.S. tax schedule.

McCain, who wants the GOVERNMENT to buy up people's mortgages and then 'renegotiate' how much they pay for them is INCREDIBLY socialistic, has some kind of nerve throwing the word "socialists" at Obama as if it's some kind of epithet.

There is nothing wrong with certain forms of socialism. I'm sure every person who can't afford to build a road, to hire tutors for their children's education, or doesn't want to fight off invading marauders by hand are very thankful for certain forms of socialism.

The word is NOT a curse word - no matter how hard the GOP tries to make it one.
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Perhaps this will bring the issue of "socialism" to the forefront in our politics.

There is ALREADY many forms of socialism in the U.S. - there is NOTHING more socialistic (redistribution of wealth) than the U.S. tax schedule.

McCain, who wants the GOVERNMENT to buy up people's mortgages and then 'renegotiate' how much they pay for them is INCREDIBLY socialistic, has some kind of nerve throwing the word "socialists" at Obama as if it's some kind of epithet.

There is nothing wrong with certain forms of socialism. I'm sure every person who can't afford to build a road, to hire tutors for their children's education, or doesn't want to fight off invading marauders by hand are very thankful for certain forms of socialism.

The word is NOT a curse word - no matter how hard the GOP tries to make it one.
In my youth being called a liberal was a compliment! Almost everyone I knew then identified themselves as liberal but today very few of them would accept that label after it has been totally besmirched.As for socialism...today we have many acceptable forms of socialism and I still believe the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few..or..the one.Socialism has been far more successful than communism,a system that I truly despise.
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I agree wholeheartedly.
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Perhaps this will bring the issue of "socialism" to the forefront in our politics.
There is ALREADY many forms of socialism in the U.S. - there is NOTHING more socialistic (redistribution of wealth) than the U.S. tax schedule.
McCain, who wants the GOVERNMENT to buy up people's mortgages and then 'renegotiate' how much they pay for them is INCREDIBLY socialistic, has some kind of nerve throwing the word "socialists" at Obama as if it's some kind of epithet.
One of the themes of this election is that some supporters of McCain jump on Obama's every word, but then refuse to shine any spotlight on McCain's own words.

I started a thread a while back about how McCain was urging Bush to act on the Bailout, WITHOUT CONGRESSIONAL APPROVAL, via use of the treasury.
http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/new...html#post42274

Not a peep.
McCain supporters incredibly quiet.

Obama is in the process of restoring the taxes SIMPLY TO WHERE THEY HAVE PREVIOUSLY BEEN.
If that's "socialist", then our government WAS ALREADY SOCIALIST in some stages of our taxation history...



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There is nothing wrong with certain forms of socialism. I'm sure every person who can't afford to build a road, to hire tutors for their children's education, or doesn't want to fight off invading marauders by hand are very thankful for certain forms of socialism.
The word is NOT a curse word - no matter how hard the GOP tries to make it one.
I agree.
Some labels are getting tossed around without any real analysis as to what is TRULY going on.

The word "socialist" is evidently an argument unto itself, and we don't even need to discuss THE SUBSTANCE of what is being called "socialist"...

There are lessons (on both sides) that need to be learned from this election.
When the right loses, I hope they learn that blind labels are NOT a compelling argument to cause people to vote for their candidate.

McCain FOLLOWERS ask McCain "when he's going to go after Barack", and I can't help but wonder if ANY of the undecided voters are actually swayed by McCain going "on the attack".
It sounds good to the people whose votes YOU ALREADY HAVE.
But does it sway anybody NEW to vote for you...
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