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America is more likely at risk from home grown terrorism than the countries banned from entry. Here the radicalisation happens in prisons where protection is offered to inmates who convert to Islam (very easy to do - only takes a couple of minutes). The terrorist atrocity here in 2005 was perpetrated by British born Muslims. I doubt whether Muslims from the designated countries in the Executive Order are likely to pose the same or more threats than home grown terrorists or those from other countries. You all need a vetting procedure rather than discount certain countries. Watch what is going on in your prisons with your Islamic inmates. You all also need to keep a close eye on the enemy within who means you harm, rather than keeping little old ladies and those of little threat out of the country.
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America is more likely at risk from home grown terrorism than the countries banned from entry. Here the radicalisation happens in prisons where protection is offered to inmates who convert to Islam (very easy to do - only takes a couple of minutes). The terrorist atrocity here in 2005 was perpetrated by British born Muslims. I doubt whether Muslims from the designated countries in the Executive Order are likely to pose the same or more threats than home grown terrorists or those from other countries. You all need a vetting procedure rather than discount certain countries. Watch what is going on in your prisons with your Islamic inmates. You all also need to keep a close eye on the enemy within who means you harm, rather than keeping little old ladies and those of little threat out of the country.
I think that's what's going on. I don't believe the ban is permanent. Just until we can get a handle on what needs to be done. Including the vetting procedure.

As for jailhouse recruits, I don't know how large a problem that is in the US. Our jail problem is Latino in nature.
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Mid-terms will see a lot of seats lost by the GOP and gains for the DNC, I predict..
You are absolutely right Lurpy.

If the GOP fumbles Trumpcare (coverage/deductibles/cost), they will lose the Senate in 2018 and a significant portion of the House and some governorship's.
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You are absolutely right Lurpy.

If the GOP fumbles Trumpcare (coverage/deductibles/cost), they will lose the Senate in 2018 and a significant portion of the House and some governorship's.
The Senate will gain 79 percent Republicans. The House will gain half Republican, half Democrat. There is nothing you can do about it. I'm sorry.
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Strong words from The Governor Of Washington

Probably only one of the many serious and respected voices that prompted a federal judge's hold on this exec order

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I think that's what's going on. I don't believe the ban is permanent. Just until we can get a handle on what needs to be done. Including the vetting procedure.

As for jailhouse recruits, I don't know how large a problem that is in the US. Our jail problem is Latino in nature.
aryan brotherhood, black, asian, and latino gangs in prisons are problematic, but there is strength in numbers.
perhaps if we had rehabilitation...
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America is more likely at risk from home grown terrorism than the countries banned from entry. Here the radicalisation happens in prisons where protection is offered to inmates who convert to Islam (very easy to do - only takes a couple of minutes). The terrorist atrocity here in 2005 was perpetrated by British born Muslims. I doubt whether Muslims from the designated countries in the Executive Order are likely to pose the same or more threats than home grown terrorists or those from other countries. You all need a vetting procedure rather than discount certain countries. Watch what is going on in your prisons with your Islamic inmates. You all also need to keep a close eye on the enemy within who means you harm, rather than keeping little old ladies and those of little threat out of the country.
We have a thorough vetting process, and it has been improved upon every year since 911. We even get help from British and French, and Israeli intel sources.
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aryan brotherhood, black, asian, and latino gangs in prisons are problematic, but there is strength in numbers.
perhaps if we had rehabilitation...


Come on! How many of those groups do you belong to? But I'm sure you can get rehabilitation somehow.
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Have those holding US passports and travelling on them been affected? I can find no evidence of that. Not saying it hasn't happened, just that I haven't seen any evidence.

EO's are not subject to the things you mentioned. But even then, I doubt this is anywhere near the most vague directive ever.
Those holding green cards who have been stopped at airports.
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President Bush was blamed for not preventing 911 by closing down the airports based on vague warnings in the intelligence briefing like Bin Laden determined to strike the US. A whole cottage industry of 911 truths sprang up.

Now Trump acts on intelligence developed by the Obama administration that these 7 countries are the most likely to export terror to the US only to receive condemnation for suspending visas until a better vetting procedure can be implemented. The obvious hypocrisy is ignored, it is Trump hate all the time.
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