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This is crazy they way we lavish Israel with our tax payers money. Then we have not enough for our own programs. $38B and people are up in arms because we gave Iran $1.3B of their own money back.

The United States and Israel have reached final agreement on a record new package of at least $38 billion in U.S. military aid and the 10-year pact is expected to be signed within days, sources close to the matter told Reuters on Tuesday.

The deal will represent the biggest pledge of U.S. military assistance ever made to any country but also includes major concessions granted by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, according to officials on both sides.

Those include Israel's agreement not to seek additional funds from Congress beyond what will be guaranteed annually in the new package, and also to phase out a special arrangement that has allowed Israel to spend part of its U.S. aid on its own defense industry instead of on American-made weapons, the officials said.

Israel 's chief negotiator, Jacob Nagel, acting head of Netanyahu's national security council, arrived in Washington overnight in preparation for a signing ceremony with U.S. National Security Adviser Susan Rice, according to one source familiar with the matter.

Nearly 10 months of drawn-out aid negotiations have underscored continuing friction between U.S. President Barack Obama and Netanyahu over last year's U.S.-led nuclear deal with Iran, Israel 's arch-foe. The U.S. and Israel have also been at odds over the Palestinians

But the right-wing Israeli leader decided it would be best to forge a new arrangement with Obama, who leaves office in January, rather than hoping for better terms from the next U.S. administration, according to officials on both sides.

A deal now allows him to avoid uncertainties surrounding the next president, whether Democrat Hillary Clinton or Republican Donald Trump, and to give Israel 's defense establishment the ability to plan ahead.

Obama's aides want a new deal before his presidency ends, seeing it as an important part of his legacy. Republican critics accuse him of not being attentive enough to Israel 's security, which the White House strongly denies.

Israel has long been a major recipient of U.S. aid, mostly in the form of military assistance against a backdrop of an ebbing and flowing conflict with the Palestinians and Israel 's neighbors, as well as threats from Iran.

The 10-year aid packages underpin Washington's congressionally mandated requirement to help maintain Israel 's "qualitative military edge" in the region.
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The deal, known as a memorandum of understanding, or MOU, calls for at least $3.8 billion a year in aid, up from $3.1 billion annually under the current pact, which expires in 2018, officials say. Netanyahu had originally sought upwards of $4.5 billion a year.

The new package for the first time will incorporate money for Israeli missile defense, which until now has been funded ad hoc by Congress. U.S. lawmakers have in recent years given Israel up to $600 million in annual discretionary funds for this purpose.

Officials say Israel has agreed not to lobby Congress for additional missile defense funds during the life of the new MOU, a pledge expected to be made in a side letter or annex to the agreement. But the wording is likely to be flexible enough to allow exceptions in case of a war or other major crisis.

Barring a last-minute snag, the new agreement is expected to be officially rolled out this week, one source close to the matter said. Another source familiar with the negotiations confirmed that the signing would be "in the coming days."

It will not be signed by Obama and Netanyahu, who have had a fraught relationship, but instead by two of their senior aides, in keeping with the way the two governments have formally sealed previous deals of this type.

Netanyahu gave ground on several major points. He conceded to a U.S. demand for a gradual phasing-out of the amount of aid money—now 26.3%—that Israel can spend on its own military industries rather than on American products. The provision originated in the 1980s to help Israel build up its defense industry, which is now a major global player.

Netanyahu also agreed to end Israel 's use of 13% of the U.S. money on military fuel purchases, officials said.

Obama and Netanyahu will both be in New York next week for the opening of the U.N. General Assembly, and officials have not ruled out the possibility of a meeting on the sidelines.

Negotiators working behind closed doors had all but completed the new package several weeks ago. But an announcement was quietly put on hold as objections were raised by a key pro- Israel lawmaker, Republican U.S. Senator Lindsey Graham, who had called for a more generous and less restrictive aid package, sources familiar with the matter said.

It was unclear, however, whether the administration's differences with Graham had been resolved or it had decided to go ahead with the announcement anyway.

U.S. congressional approval is needed each year for disbursement of the aid to Israel as part of the annual budget process. But little opposition is expected in Congress, where support for Israel 's security is strong

The U.S. Agrees to Give Israel Record $38 Billion in Military Aid | Fortune.com
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It's a fraction of what we recently gave Iran

Doesn't seem fair.
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Doesn't seem fair.
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I don't understand our country's love affair with Israel. The money should be used here, not in any other country. This is a huge ripoff of the taxpayers.
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I don't understand our country's love affair with Israel. The money should be used here, not in any other country. This is a huge ripoff of the taxpayers.
Israel has a good economy. They have a social insurance scheme. Free wifi, free college. I think it's high time we stop supporting them. They are not our kids
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Well, Obama had no choice if he wanted the hostages back, so I guess you could say they took the money from us by threats.
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Once again I'll admit you are right. We didn't give Iran SH!T. We wired payments and made some in plane loads of cash.

Lots of cash.

About $2.1 Billion of which we now know.

So $38 mil/$2.1 Billion is a fraction right? Or do you dispute that as well?
( Fractions are hard, and I know you are from California, so I'll help ya out. $38 million is 1.8% of $2.1 Billion)

But you go ahead and believe what President Obama said, despite documented evidence to the contrary.
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We did not give Iran American tax payer money. You want to disagree?
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Once again I'll admit you are right. We didn't give Iran SH!T. We wired payments and made some in plane loads of cash.

Lots of cash.

About $2.1 Billion of which we now know.

So 38 mil/2.1 Billion is a fraction right? Or do you dispute that as well?

But you go ahead and believe what President Obama said, despite documented evidence to the contrary.
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We did not give Iran American tax payer money. You want to disagree?
And they never paid us for stealing our embassy.

Not all of the money paid was from the settlement. So yes, we did use Taxpayer money. Did you not read the link? I have more. But not if you won't read them.
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One could say that about any and all foreign aid. I say if we send money to those who hate us, we should do so in kind for those who don't.

Israel doesn't hate us.

But this is specifically targeted military aid (not just dollars as we did for IRAN who can use the money for any purpose they chose) in a region where we have abandoned many of those who had helped our efforts to control Terrorism. Jordan also gets such aid. Should we abandon these nations to the machinery of ISIS?
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