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I am so pissed off I'm blowing chunks. This POTUS should be calling for an international meeting to stabilize markets. Where is the leadership? Where is Bush? We have lost half of our economy and he is silent. He pushed to get Paulson some mad money. But where is the leadership to quell foreign markets concern. Where is the grown ups? Bush sucks. Bush is a friggin waste of space. And so is McCain.
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Clinton would have been ahead of this. This is a confidence problem now. And until we get a leader who can calm this situation we are screwed. Because nobody believes Bush anymore. Damn how did this moron become POTUS. Friggin partisanship. And thats all. Pople thought Bush was a good guy to have a beer with. I hope he's buying. Because thats the only thing he is good for.
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Clinton would have been ahead of this. This is a confidence problem now. And until we get a leader who can calm this situation we are screwed. Because nobody believes Bush anymore. Damn how did this moron become POTUS. Friggin partisanship. And thats all. Pople thought Bush was a good guy to have a beer with. I hope he's buying. Because thats the only thing he is good for.
Clinton as well as presidents for the past 30 years are part of the reason why this happened.
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Clinton as well as presidents for the past 30 years are part of the reason why this happened.
I won't argue that one side is completely to blame for this mess. What I am saying is that what has happened in the last 4 days is about confidence. Who is out there showing that this is as bad as 9-11. Where is someone to help calm the situation. Bush looks like he is clueless. Well he is really. And thats the problem. Bush never addresses the severity of a thing. He was a cheerleader in college and thats all he is now. I'm not sure he can say a thing at this point that anyone can rely on. Thats because people have lost confidence in his ability to understand anything. I think that like him or not people think Clinton gets it. That is more important then anything right now.
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I won't argue that one side is completely to blame for this mess. What I am saying is that what has happened in the last 4 days is about confidence. Who is out there showing that this is as bad as 9-11. Where is someone to help calm the situation. Bush looks like he is clueless. Well he is really. And thats the problem. Bush never addresses the severity of a thing. He was a cheerleader in college and thats all he is now. I'm not sure he can say a thing at this point that anyone can rely on. Thats because people have lost confidence in his ability to understand anything. I think that like him or not people think Clinton gets it. That is more important then anything right now.
People have lost the ability to understand things because of the way MEDIA has gotten. Media will put out a 15-30 minute story about some old lady and her miniature poodle and then talk about something serious for 30 seconds.

Then there's the commercials that people try to tune out--trying to tune out things that are absolutely in-your-face kind-of makes it harder to notice when there is actually something important on TV.

When the towers were hit--how many people do you think turned on their televisions to see the footage who initially thought they were watching Die Hard or something until they realized what was really going on?

I don't think ANYONE can say anything that will make the situation better. The situation simply has to get better, which it won't in the longrun but can get better in the shortrun. It won't get better in the longrun without a complete overhaul of our banking systems and eliminating or completely modifying the federal reserve and making our currency actually be backed by something other than thin air, like value and commodities.

If Clinton came out of hiding right now and started saying "The eonomy is strengthening, we're coming out of the recession", people would probably laugh. NO ONE PERSON could say something right now that would just suddenly help the confidence of the people.
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People have lost the ability to understand things because of the way MEDIA has gotten. Media will put out a 15-30 minute story about some old lady and her miniature poodle and then talk about something serious for 30 seconds.

Then there's the commercials that people try to tune out--trying to tune out things that are absolutely in-your-face kind-of makes it harder to notice when there is actually something important on TV.

When the towers were hit--how many people do you think turned on their televisions to see the footage who initially thought they were watching Die Hard or something until they realized what was really going on?

I don't think ANYONE can say anything that will make the situation better. The situation simply has to get better, which it won't in the longrun but can get better in the shortrun. It won't get better in the longrun without a complete overhaul of our banking systems and eliminating or completely modifying the federal reserve and making our currency actually be backed by something other than thin air, like value and commodities.

If Clinton came out of hiding right now and started saying "The eonomy is strengthening, we're coming out of the recession", people would probably laugh. NO ONE PERSON could say something right now that would just suddenly help the confidence of the people.
I'm not saying just being positive is the key. Its showing that you realize it isn't. Now I see that Bush is utting together a meeting of the G7 to address the global markets. He must have read our thread. But who is he going to bring to explain the really big words to him????
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People have lost the ability to understand things because of the way MEDIA has gotten. Media will put out a 15-30 minute story about some old lady and her miniature poodle and then talk about something serious for 30 seconds.

Then there's the commercials that people try to tune out--trying to tune out things that are absolutely in-your-face kind-of makes it harder to notice when there is actually something important on TV.

When the towers were hit--how many people do you think turned on their televisions to see the footage who initially thought they were watching Die Hard or something until they realized what was really going on?

I don't think ANYONE can say anything that will make the situation better. The situation simply has to get better, which it won't in the longrun but can get better in the shortrun. It won't get better in the longrun without a complete overhaul of our banking systems and eliminating or completely modifying the federal reserve and making our currency actually be backed by something other than thin air, like value and commodities.

If Clinton came out of hiding right now and started saying "The eonomy is strengthening, we're coming out of the recession", people would probably laugh. NO ONE PERSON could say something right now that would just suddenly help the confidence of the people.
In times of crisis we look to our leaders for well... leadership and guidance on what we can expect. When 9/11 happened more than in the rest of the country New York was in emotional turmoil, people missing, the works, it was chaotic. As much as I despise the man, Giuliani was there. There was nothing he could do to "fix" the problem, or make any of it go away but he did the best he could - and a fine job at that. It is not a luxury of the POTUS to run and hide when he has a duty to guide the people who elected him to office. Whoever voted for him deserves what they get, but the rest of us deserve better, .
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If Clinton came out of hiding right now and started saying "The eonomy is strengthening, we're coming out of the recession", people would probably laugh. NO ONE PERSON could say something right now that would just suddenly help the confidence of the people.
There is a huge difference inbetween standing at home plate with the bat in your hands, hoping for four balls instead of three strikes...

... and actively swinging at the pitches, even if you may not have a chance of hitting them.

I want a president who will go down swinging.
Not the friggin' cheer-leader.
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A lot of Americans are complicit in the crimes and fraud themselves, so Bush and the rest did provide leadership. I mean, really, does anybody believe the public is less greedy and crooked than their representatives? All governments reflect the wills of the majority of people they govern. A majority of Americans wanted to get rich doing nothing, and like the old saying goes ...

"You can't cheat an honest man."

You have the government you deserve and work for.
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There is a huge difference inbetween standing at home plate with the bat in your hands, hoping for four balls instead of three strikes...

... and actively swinging at the pitches, even if you may not have a chance of hitting them.

I want a president who will go down swinging.
Not the friggin' cheer-leader.
Actually, I want someone with patience at the plate & not someone just whacking at pitches that they have no chance in making contact with.
This is the problem with people making baseball analogies without understanding the game.
Being a good hitter doesn't mean you go up there & whack at the ball blindly like it's a pinata.
If you strike out in three pitches you wouldn't stay in the game very long.
Swinging at a pitch in the dirt just to say you took a swing at the ball is stupid.
It doesn't do anyone any good.
How about a concentrated effort in which analyzing the pitcher & his tendencies will give you a much better chance to not only hit the ball but hit it with power.
Maybe driving in a run or two; or getting extra bases & improving your batting average.
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