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So don't do anything and blame or pin it all on the President at the time.
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There are no protections for workers? Have you read any part of the DoL website? Minimum wage, FSLA, FMLA, OSHA.... do I need to continue?

People are more than able to follow their passion. Some are more lucrative than others, and the country only needs so many Liberal Arts graduates. Not everybody is cut out to run their own business, so either you have to find someone who has a need for a particular skill, or you find a job doing something else that pays the bills. If everyone followed their 'passion', you would likely not have coal miners, rectal thermometer testers, janitors, burger flippers, barnacle scrapers, wait staff....

I've encountered many intelligent and knowledgeable people at some of those 'big box' stores. Some retired from self-employment, others who studied and learned their stuff.

Corporate profits are what drives many people's income, in several ways. Earning a wage, or the value of their stock portfolio, or their 401k. If a company didn't have profits, why would they stay in business? Businesses don't exist to provide jobs, Mikeyy. You should know that.
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So don't do anything and blame or pin it all on the President at the time.
How about people take responsibility for themselves? Why do you think government intervention is the only thing that would work?

And, out of curiosity, where did I 'blame' it on a president?
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She said she was appalled by some of the things Trump has said but our country is in such turmoil and that she is Christian so it is part of her faith to forgive him.

This made me think about how people justify everything they do. Especially Christians. This woman is appalled by what Trump has said and that he mocked a handicapped man. But she apparently can't forgive Hillary for using a private server. Same Christian but Hillary is like the devil so she just can't forgive her.

Then the part about our country being in huge turmoil. WTF is she talking about. Now, this is a girl from a rich family in an Ivy League school being paid for by her parents. This is what gets me about the right. They see some huge turmoil that only they see. The main turmoil I see is politics and the divisions in our country down political lines. But what turmoil does this girl feel involved in? Not being completely satisfied with the country is a normal thing with both sides. We all have things we would like to see done better. But we are not in some massive turmoil that we haven't made the decision to put on ourselves.
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How about people take responsibility for themselves? Why do you think government intervention is the only thing that would work?

And, out of curiosity, where did I 'blame' it on a president?
We have nothing to talk about. You seem to think the way thinks are set is fine. I disagree.
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I don't watch "The Blaze"
No one is saying you have to, just go find that program.
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If you want to learn: Part I: Glenn Talks With Millennials at Texas Christian University | Glenn Beck

There are 2 parts. I don't expect you to watch it, but I had to make the effort.
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When one is blamed for something they do not do, did not do, and are held guilty because of an incident of their birth, well.... that goes in both directions, now doesn't it?
Why should those with lighter skin be made to feel guilty because they exist? If they are racist and act on it (not just in their mind) then by all means, hold them to their actions.
Why should people who have worked hard all their lives be told that they aren't worth what they've worked for, that they should feel guilty because someone else doesn't have the same things?
I refuse to carry someone else's burden. I treat all people who act like solid human beings as solid human beings. I will not carry someone else's guilt or jealousy.
The problem may exist, but only they can solve it. Making sure other people feel guilty because the problem exists will not fix it. Oh, woe is me..... and you are to blame!
No, I'm not.
First off, anybody who blames others for problems based solely on the color of their skin...
That's wrong.

Second, in comparing two issues as to
a) the grievous nature of white individuals being blamed for discrimination they did not do, OR
b) the grievous nature of blacks actually being discriminated against...
b) is worse.

Third, I have no idea where you're coming from with the following:
The problem may exist, but only they can solve it.
Admitting again that people who have not committed an act should not be blamed for that act, ...
... that's an entirely different issue from society seeing an injustice and working together to solve that injustice.
Blacks cannot solve the problem of modern discrimination all on their own. It doesn't work that way.
Perhaps there is some confusion in my understanding exactly what you're referencing when you say "The problem..."


And finally...
I'm tempted to employ the right-wing tactic of ignoring complaints since I'm not perpetuating them. The right has perpetually turned a blind eye to race problems in this country, seeking instead to blame the victim for the problem.
But then again, I think for some on the right the irony of getting the return treatment would be lost on them.
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First off, anybody who blames others for problems based solely on the color of their skin...
That's wrong.

Second, in comparing two issues as to
a) the grievous nature of white individuals being blamed for discrimination they did not do, OR
b) the grievous nature of blacks actually being discriminated against...
b) is worse.

Third, I have no idea where you're coming from with the following:
The problem may exist, but only they can solve it.
Admitting again that people who have not committed an act should not be blamed for that act, ...
... that's an entirely different issue from society seeing an injustice and working together to solve that injustice.
Blacks cannot solve the problem of modern discrimination all on their own. It doesn't work that way.
Perhaps there is some confusion in my understanding exactly what you're referencing when you say "The problem..."


And finally...
I'm tempted to employ the right-wing tactic of ignoring complaints since I'm not perpetuating them. The right has perpetually turned a blind eye to race problems in this country, seeking instead to blame the victim for the problem.
But then again, I think for some on the right the irony of getting the return treatment would be lost on them.
The 'problem' of what many claim as the Black Oppression.... the ones keeping them down come from within the group, in addition to those who claim they are helping them, when they really can't have a full understanding unless they actually are from within the group. And then there are those who turn a blind eye to the riots and looting, as though they are children acting out, when an event occurs that could actually be a moment that could help ease the tensions in the overall, but not lesson the horror of the event.

I don't ignore complaints, but neither do I inflate them. There are definitely racists and oppressors out there. As I said before, if it's in their mind, that is for them to deal with. The minute their actions follow, then hold them accountable.

Unfortunately, there are those who see boogeymen in every word or action, and it's gotten to the point of ridiculous. I refuse to be told that just because my skin is lighter than someone else's, I am innately racist. Seriously? I am proud of the person I am, which has bupkis to do with my skin color.

Working together is a fine goal, but when I am treated as a lesser being by those who claim they need help, my help stops. Treat me as an equal, and so shall you be treated.

The world cannot be fixed by taxing it, by unknown faces deciding where my or anyone's hard earned money is best used. It will move forward when people help people, and for some the need to see the results of their help, while those being helped do not take it for granted (perpetual whiners) and actually do something to help themselves.
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