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Old 08-27-2016, 09:46 AM
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WWI = Wilson D
WWII= Roosevelt D
Korea=Truman D
Vietnam= Johnson/Kennedy D
Gulf War= Bush41 R
Kosovo= Clinton D
Iraq = Bush 43 R
Libya = Obama D

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Iraq was stable and although Libya was ruled by a dictator he had voluntarily agreed to abandon his WMD program and opposed terrorist rebels, when Obama came into office. Of course Hillary is conveniently excused for her responsibility for destroying the situation.
The parallels between Iraq and Libya seem valid in this context; that countries and populations in the ME are "politically divided societies" in which "long entrenched leaders" were toppled. I think that the divisions are more than political; they are religious and sometimes ethnic. In Libya's case, the consequences and fallout of this were not anticipated. I read somewhere that BHO decided to go ahead because of the fear of being on the wrong side of history. I think you're right that Gaddafi wasn't a threat and had been neutered years ago. HRC refused to pick up the phone and negotiate.

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Iraq was stable and although Libya was ruled by a dictator he had voluntarily agreed to abandon his WMD program and opposed terrorist rebels, when Obama came into office. Of course Hillary is conveniently excused for her responsibility for destroying the situation.
Kaddafi Was toppled because he acquiesced to Reagan and then the Bush's
His fatal mistake was working with GW Bush 43 in our invasion of Afghanistan and later Iraq.

Kaddafi's motivation was oil. Libyan oil is top grade sweet crude. And he was more than happy to see Saddam Hussein's light sweetoil off the market place.

Despite having become a reluctant ally, we received support and Intel through Kaddafi's efforts. All the while He kept his own boiling pot under control. Even with all that, he was a despicable man.

But he was the enemy of our enemy.
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I think the "Tick Tock" email is interesting. Five years ago hrc and her team were exceedingly proud of their accomplishments in Libya. This narrative is a chronicle of hrc's "leadership" as penned by her loyalists. I guess it's also a chronicle of the biggest self admitted screw up in the Obama administration.


https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/23898

TICK TOCK ON LIBYA

From: Hillary Clinton To: Oscar Flores Date: 2011-09-02 15:28 Subject: TICK TOCK ON LIBYA

UNCLASSIFIED U.S. Department of State Case No. F-2014-20439 Doc No. C05788648 Date: 10/30/2015 RELEASE IN PART B5,B6 From: • H <hrod17@clintonemail.com > Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 10:28 PM To: Oscar Flores Subject: Fw: tick tock on libya


Here is Draft From: Jake Sullivan [mailtc Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2011 7:40 PM To: Mills, Cheryl D; Nuland, Victoria Subject: tick tock on libya this is basically off the top of my head, with a few consultations of my notes. but it shows S' leadership/ownership/stewardship of this country's libya policy from start to finish. let me know what you think. toria, who else might be able to add to this?

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The BBC reports heavy casualties sustained by GNA aligned forces during this supposed last push. ( 34 dead, 150 wounded ).


Heavy casualties as Libyan forces advance on IS in Sirte - BBC News
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The WSJ reports that GNA supporting militias have just about taken Sirte. Most of the fighters are from Misrata and they expect expect to be rewarded politically for doing the heavy lifting. After the expected liberation of Sirte, it's anticipated that ISIS will be setting up their Sharia Shop in other towns and no guarantee that the civil war won't intensify.


Militias Corner Islamic State in Libyan City - WSJ
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There are reports that the US has extended the operations in Libya with USS Wasp remaining past it's original 30 day commitment. IS fighters are still active in several Sirte neighborhoods. While US news sources seem to be muted, RT's William Whiteman is reporting from the battle zone in Sirte. There is concern over IS fighters establishing stronger footing in Tunisia.


https://www.rt.com/news/358478-sirte...ion-exclusive/



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