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That's OK Salty, just cover your eyes and ears and pretend it's not happening.
That is in fact what you are doing following a third rate youtube channel as if it wete news after it was proved false many times. And that just bevause you disagree w pp and will eben root for a liar pitted against them. I want to get rid of pp the legal way.
btw ever notice republican congress never wants to go the proper legal route but solve issues w inuendo and propaganda?
Why? Probably because that way they can get w the dem congress and make laws we dont notice.
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hmm.
Obviously you and salt didn't read my post or the links or watch the under oath testimonies before state officials or pay any attention the other whistle blowers against PP since you only repeat the same well addressed gripes without any reference to the information i've posted.
It seems you really don't want to know.
Oh Well,
I'll leave you to your see no evil worlds where people only lie about PP and unless there's prosecution then theres no body part "sales", just "reimbursements", there are only perfect and completely informed consent by the woman , and no changes in Drs proceeders to get the parts they want ..like livers... evah evah... lalalala ...

(pedo-roman catholic priest and politicians LOVE people like you 2. Because no prosecutions means NOTHING HAPPENED and haters just lie so it can't be true.

And there really were TONS of WMDs in IRAQ everyone knew it. But they went to Syria that's what happened ... the inspectors were lying... If Bush and Chenney were "lying" they'd have been impeached!
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Look why dont you write ur congressman and make pp keep records that r followed by ethics committees in the science community?
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Congressional Report sale of body parts

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF...0420-SD003.pdf

the report outlines how a tissue company procurement technician working out of the abortion clinic is responsible for the collection and distribution of the fetal tissue. That technician gets consent from a patient, collects the fetal remains and ships them out. And because the work is done by the procurement company’s technician, there is little or no cost to the abortion clinic — so money they collect is profit. The committee also released pricing information they say shows a profit for the tissue company.
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DA working with/for PP against Dalieden?

Planned Parenthood Lawyer Admits DA Turned Over Confidential Docs to Thwart Baby Body Parts Investigation

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...Schaffer's affidavit was included as part of the prosecution's response to Daleiden's motion to quash the indictments against him on the grounds that the district attorney's office "colluded" with Planned Parenthood.

"The recent filings by the Harris County District Attorney confirm that the DA shared confidential documents and information with abortion provider Planned Parenthood, colluding with it in the prosecution of David Daleiden," Thomas More Society Special Counsel Peter Breen said in a statement shared with The Christian Post.

"These filings also include evidence that appears to show that the DA's office worked with Planned Parenthood Gulf Coast to undermine the Texas Attorney General's independent investigation of that abortion provider. The conduct of Harris County prosecutors in this case is outrageous and illegal. We look forward to pressing our motion to quash this indictment in court."

Although the law group claims that Schaffer admits to having been given access to confidential information, Schaffer also reportedly denied accusations that he has colluded with the prosecution in the affidavit....
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hmm.
Obviously you and salt didn't read my post or the links or watch the under oath testimonies before state officials or pay any attention the other whistle blowers against PP since you only repeat the same well addressed gripes without any reference to the information i've posted.
It seems you really don't want to know.

Like many things, I have read what you have actually posted.
But you have this really nasty habit of misrepresenting things...

So do me a favor and point me to JUST ONE of those things you have previously posted which you think proves my statement false.
And then we'll go from there.

But I think your interest is solely in SAYING some s**t against PP, regardless of what the truth actually is...


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Congressional Report sale of body parts

http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IF/IF...0420-SD003.pdf

the report outlines how a tissue company procurement technician working out of the abortion clinic is responsible for the collection and distribution of the fetal tissue. That technician gets consent from a patient, collects the fetal remains and ships them out. And because the work is done by the procurement company’s technician, there is little or no cost to the abortion clinic — so money they collect is profit. The committee also released pricing information they say shows a profit for the tissue company.
This is EXACTLY the type of dishonest crap I was referring to coming from you...

QUOTE WHERE in that document it says PP actually made a profit from selling body parts.

What you just linked to DOES NOT say that at all.
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Like many things, I have read what you have actually posted.
But you have this really nasty habit of misrepresenting things...

So do me a favor and point me to JUST ONE of those things you have previously posted which you think proves my statement false.
And then we'll go from there.

But I think your interest is solely in SAYING some s**t against PP, regardless of what the truth actually is...
My last post to you on this found
see post
#23

#24

#25
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This is EXACTLY the type of dishonest crap I was referring to coming from you...

QUOTE WHERE in that document it says PP actually made a profit from selling body parts.

What you just linked to DOES NOT say that at all.
For most people if someone points out the equation 2 + 2 =.
They can make the clear next step of 4 without having it said outright.
Outright , like in the whistles blowers In my post of #23-25 do.

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My last post to you on this found
see post
#23
#24
#25
One of the problems with you is that you keep tossing out multiple layers of garbage in order to hide the fact that it is garbage.
And then when I peel back and expose the layers of garbage, you habitually toss more garbage out there to cover your previous garbage. It's an absurd and never ending act you put on.

This is why I asked for ONE POST that you would actually defend.
I'll take post #23 in a minute...

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For most people if someone points out the equation 2 + 2 =.
They can make the clear next step of 4 without having it said outright.
Outright , like in the whistles blowers In my post of #23-25 do.
Translation: NOWHERE IN THE ARTICLE does it ever claim they took money for baby parts as profit.

The TRUTH, which mr. wonder is either too sloppy to read through or doesn't care in his interest to slur his political enemy, is that the article explains the process of how PP is compensated and how expenses are accrued.
It explains hypothetically what is necessary to satisfy the law.
And it explains hypothetically how one would violate the law.

NOWHERE in the article does it ever claim PP made profit for baby parts.
And it is this lack of honesty on mr. wonder's part to refuse to admit that which I find repugnant.
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If Sally HAS SEX and TAKES the money then she IS a prostitute!
Even if she says later she only took the money because it was "a gift" he gave her to her pay rent.
And if there's video of her talking about how much she charges for different services she provides men! You'd be stupid to think she's NOT a prostitute.
Simple fact s Planned Parenthood sells Baby parts.
It's clear in the video tapes and even backhandedly admitted in their own letters to officials trying to cover their arses.
I've already responded to this part.
http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/ope...tml#post823224

Suppose Sally traveled to John's place in order to have sex with him.
And support our laws were changed so that Sally could ask that John pay Sally for JUST travel expenses. And the cab fare (receipt provided) came to $100.
Then it would be legal for Sally to ask for that money.

But in that scenario, you would still be calling her a prostitute, refusing to admit what the law actually said and refusing to admit what actually happened.


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Part of the CMP reply letter
Okay. I'm going to pause right here and point out taking the claims of CMP is not real evidence.
It would be like me taking the words of Trump to assess Hillary's guilt.

Or, like me taking the word of PP to assess CMP's guilt.

First off, CMP claiming contents of a letter when no quotes are shown???
Like I said. I might as well assume CMP's guilt based on PP's statements.
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"...there are two key admissions in Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards’ letter to Congress of August 272 that the investigating Committees should focus on particularly. First, Richards admits that multiple Planned Parenthood affiliates have recently received payments of $45 to $60 “per tissue specimen” from various Tissue Procurement Organizations (TPOs). Second, Richard admits that abortion procedure “adjustments to facilitate fetal tissue donations” may occur at Planned Parenthood facilities. We believe these two admissions, of payments for specimens of fetal tissue and changes to abortion procedures in order to get better specimens, constitute prima facie evidence of the three points CMP has raised all along: 1) That Planned Parenthood sells aborted fetal tissue, 2) That Planned Parenthood changes the abortion procedure in order to get saleable tissue, and 3) That there is knowledge and approval of these practices from the top of the organization on down...."

First off, they admit to financial compensation, which is allowed under law as long as it is to compensate for costs.
NOWHERE do they say here that they have proof that the compensation EXCEEDED cost.
In other words, NO EVIDENCE OF LAW VIOLATION.
As for part #2, SHOW ME THE LAW on the matter.
The claim regards adjustment to abortion procedure. That's all that is really there.
You may HATE what goes on, but that does NOT make it illegal.


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"....Planned Parenthood’s Changes in Abortion Methods To Obtain Higher Quality Fetal Tissue Specimens
Stunningly, Richards also admits that some Planned Parenthood doctors may “adjust” abortion procedures in order to obtain higher quality fetal tissue specimens. Federal law at 42 U.S.C. 289g-1 is written to bar such alterations to abortion procedures. According to Richards, Planned Parenthood relies on their own narrow interpretation of this law to excuse the changes their doctors make to abortion procedures in order to get higher quality specimens. Even if the Planned Parenthood interpretation were correct, such changes to the procedure are clearly in violation of their own guidance and also contrary to the language used in their patient consent form for tissue donation: “I understand there will be no changes to how or when my abortion is done in order to get my blood or the tissue.”4 This form is attached to this letter...."

Seriously.
Quoting ONE SOLITARY WORD in an assessment of what somebody has said?
Are you SERIOUSLY trying to gloss over what just happened?

Part of the other annoyance is that there is no discussion on what actually happened. Procedure choices during an operation by a doctor can be made for a variety of reasons. That doesn't amount to squat.

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they change procedures (or lie to potential clients that they do).
Show me any individual who you can show they lied to about using their fetus parts for medical research.
JUST ONE.

Otherwise, you have no case.


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But wait there are former Planned parenthood workers who ALSO have testified under oath that they KNOW that some doctors DID change proceedures where they worked.
And doctors can change procedures all over the world based on their medical expertise.
Doesn't mean squat.


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And that they and other staff DID NOT fully inform the Women receiving the abortions about the changes OR the sale of their children's body parts.
Show me a woman who has been shown that they experienced this.
Otherwise, it's meaningless claims.

Otherwise, you're just rounding up disgruntled employees and giving them a microphone and claiming it's gospel WITH NO PROOF.


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the evidence goes beyond the undercover films, which simply show PP officials making admissions of what former employees have testified to for years to dismissive and deaf ears like yourself in the public, news outlets, and DA's offices around the country.
THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE in those films.
People like you who refuse to acknowledge they can be compensated for expenses taking video out of context.


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(similar to Gosnell and others abortion reports that went unheard or dismissed for years)
I 1st heard of this activity from former PP and former private Abortion employees in the 1980s!!
it's not new.
just like Roman Catholic priest and pedophilia and the UK/Euro Elite in politics and entertainments pedophilia ring. It's known but not prosecuted or even made public for decades.
And I could liken your rant to abortion clinic bombers.
But that would be meaningless hyperbolization.

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(2) the timing, method, or procedures used to terminate the pregnancy were not altered in order to obtain the tissue;
https://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R44129.pdf
What this means is that if the woman wants to have an abortion at 2 months and the clinic thinks an abortion at four months would be better for research, they can't push to have the abortion at four months.
What this means is that if the woman agrees to have an MTX abortion and the doctor wants to perform a different type of abortion in order to get tissue, the doctor cannot change the agreed upon abortion.

Without context to see EXACTLY what was done, it's meaningless to accuse them of violating this. Basically we have people yelling "they changed the procedure" and we have no idea what that actually means.
No actual evidence involved to demonstrate WHAT that means and whether that was actually illegal.


I remind you that MULTIPLE STATES pursued Planned Parenthood with aggressive investigations.
Motivated by people like mr. wonder who wanted to END abortion.
AND THEY CAME UP WITH NOTHING ILLEGAL.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/25/politi...ists-indicted/
But mr. wonder wants to use CMP's CLAIMS as proof they did wrong.
He wants to claim that women had their fetus illegally used for research, while failing to name any individual woman involved where they can document the accusation as true.
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Translation: NOWHERE IN THE ARTICLE does it ever claim they took money for baby parts as profit.

The TRUTH, which mr. wonder is either too sloppy to read through or doesn't care in his interest to slur his political enemy, is that the article explains the process of how PP is compensated and how expenses are accrued.
It explains hypothetically what is necessary to satisfy the law.
And it explains hypothetically how one would violate the law.

NOWHERE in the article does it ever claim PP made profit for baby parts.
And it is this lack of honesty on mr. wonder's part to refuse to admit that which I find repugnant.
you willing blindness is incredible. But tolerable however the fact that you question my honesty on top of it is offensive.

From the congressional report.
"With the first, an abortion clinic (AC) or middleman Procurement Business (PB) transfers tissue to a researcher, and the researcher may reimburse the AC or PB for its reasonable costs incurred by the transportation, processing, preservation, and quality control of the tissue. With the second, the payment from the researcher exceeds those reasonable costs, enabling the AC or PB to make a profit and thus violates the statute."
Under oath testimony of former planned parenthood director in Texas, Abby Johnson, before Texas senate committee.
Planned Parenthood = AC

"...we had no cost beyond maybe a 5 or 10 dollar shipping fee.... Often the research company would pick up the specimens themselves so we had no cost... we received between $100 and $200 per baby..."

thus violates the statute.

Holly Johnson (post #30 and feature in the PP expose' videos) whistle blower Former employee of Stem Cell Express ASSIGNED AT a PLANNED PARENTHOOD to retrieve baby parts FOR Stem Cell Express.
Whats the cost to Planned Parenthood of her presence there to retrieve baby parts for Stem cell Express? ZERO. Stem cell express PAID Planned parenthood for the baby parts Holly was to pick though and recover for them.
Stem Cell Express = PB
thus violates the statute.


From planned parenthood's (AC) own CYA letter to congress not under oath
(post #23)
"....The California affiliate receives a modest reimbursement of $60 per tissue specimen from the TPO, and the Washington affiliate receives no reimbursement. The four other affiliates whose programs ended after the release of the videos received lesser but comparable amounts...."
Again the former Director of a planned parenthood with nothing to hide at this point and under oath said she was getting $200 for specimens at her clinic. Who's testimony here is likely to be more reliable?
thus violates the statute.


Also Stem Cell Express (boost in it's marketing that it brings "profits" to clinics. With Planned parenthood quotes endorsements IN same Stem Cell express marketing!
(PB) (AC)
thus violates the statute.


At best you have to be WILLINGLY BLIND not to see it.
2 + 2 = ?
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