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Old 06-14-2016, 10:30 PM
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um it seems apparent to many that

The reality is that some want them convicted.
The facts of the law aren't relevant considering who you're after.
And THAT is the truth...

The law is explicit on what is illegal.
PP did not step on the wrong side of that law.

And unlike the other examples you try to throw out there, there were explicit, state run investigations at the behest of Republicans who wanted to see PP burn.

The truth is that the evidence does not support any claim that they broke the law.
You feel otherwise? Prove it.


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sorry i don't buy it.
If the details bore that out as practical reality i'd have to agree, but they both are just thin sham euphemisms.
WHAT DETAILS do you think you have that prove they broke the law?
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You have never proven that. Besides, they were available un cut for all to see.

Irrelevant of course. you will continue to lie about it anyways.
You have never proven the collusion between Obama and Ayers, Wright and whoever else but you keep repeating your bullshlt. Irrelevant of course. you will continue to lie about it anyways.
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The reality is that some want them convicted.
The facts of the law aren't relevant considering who you're after.
And THAT is the truth...

The law is explicit on what is illegal.
PP did not step on the wrong side of that law.

And unlike the other examples you try to throw out there, there were explicit, state run investigations at the behest of Republicans who wanted to see PP burn.

The truth is that the evidence does not support any claim that they broke the law.
You feel otherwise? Prove it.

WHAT DETAILS do you think you have that prove they broke the law?
If Sally HAS SEX and TAKES the money then she IS a prostitute!

Even if she says later she only took the money because it was "a gift" he gave her to her pay rent.
And if there's video of her talking about how much she charges for different services she provides men! You'd be stupid to think she's NOT a prostitute.

Simple fact s Planned Parenthood sells Baby parts.
It's clear in the video tapes and even backhandedly admitted in their own letters to officials trying to cover their arses.

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The Aug 27th letter to Congress from Cecile Richards claims that the videos are are distorted and highly edited based on hired expert analysis. For some reason, "Fusion GPS" is the organization used.

link PP letter to congress

CMP responds to PP's letter by pointing out that Fusion GPS is a political opposition research firm and their report is pseudo scientific.

CMP’s Open Letter to Congress in Reply to Planned Parenthood’s Aug. 27 Letter | The Center for Medical Progress.
Part of the CMP reply letter

"...there are two key admissions in Planned Parenthood CEO Cecile Richards’ letter to Congress of August 272 that the investigating Committees should focus on particularly. First, Richards admits that multiple Planned Parenthood affiliates have recently received payments of $45 to $60 per tissue specimen from various Tissue Procurement Organizations (TPOs). Second, Richard admits that abortion procedure “adjustments to facilitate fetal tissue donations” may occur at Planned Parenthood facilities. We believe these two admissions, of payments for specimens of fetal tissue and changes to abortion procedures in order to get better specimens, constitute prima facie evidence of the three points CMP has raised all along: 1) That Planned Parenthood sells aborted fetal tissue, 2) That Planned Parenthood changes the abortion procedure in order to get saleable tissue, and 3) That there is knowledge and approval of these practices from the top of the organization on down...."

"....Planned Parenthood’s Changes in Abortion Methods To Obtain Higher Quality Fetal Tissue Specimens
Stunningly, Richards also admits that some Planned Parenthood doctors may “adjust” abortion procedures in order to obtain higher quality fetal tissue specimens. Federal law at 42 U.S.C. 289g-1 is written to bar such alterations to abortion procedures. According to Richards, Planned Parenthood relies on their own narrow interpretation of this law to excuse the changes their doctors make to abortion procedures in order to get higher quality specimens. Even if the Planned Parenthood interpretation were correct, such changes to the procedure are clearly in violation of their own guidance and also contrary to the language used in their patient consent form for tissue donation: “I understand there will be no changes to how or when my abortion is done in order to get my blood or the tissue.”4 This form is attached to this letter...."
they change procedures (or lie to potential clients that they do).
But wait there are former Planned parenthood workers who ALSO have testified under oath that they KNOW that some doctors DID change proceedures where they worked.
And that they and other staff DID NOT fully inform the Women receiving the abortions about the changes OR the sale of their children's body parts.

the evidence goes beyond the undercover films, which simply show PP officials making admissions of what former employees have testified to for years to dismissive and deaf ears like yourself in the public, news outlets, and DA's offices around the country. (similar to Gosnell and others abortion reports that went unheard or dismissed for years)

I 1st heard of this activity from former PP and former private Abortion employees in the 1980s!!
it's not new.

just like Roman Catholic priest and pedophilia and the UK/Euro Elite in politics and entertainments pedophilia ring. It's known but not prosecuted or even made public for decades.
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...Sue Thayer, a former Planned Parenthood Center director, answers.
Birth control pill revenue.
they Pay big pharma $2.00 per pill cycle and charge the gov't $23.00 and ask the woman for a donation of $10.00. then send pills to addresses automatically on a schedule that aligns with what they can bill the gov't. often pills come back from dead addresses and they resell the pills and rebill the gov't. etc.


Senate Committee on Health & Human Services - Jul 29th, 2015
Former PP clinic manager Johnson testified that her Planned Parenthood clinic made $200 per baby. She said fetal tissue donations were “sheer profit for Planned Parenthood.” Even with a conservative estimate, she said, the large quota-based Planned Parenthood clinic that had even 50 tissue donors abortions a day could easily make $120,000 a month from tissue donation, even with a $100 profit–with no significant reimbursement costs. She also testified that in her clinic they changed the abortion procedures when they needed to get certain baby parts, such as eyeballs or neural tissue, for the orders made from the procurement agency, Amphioxus Cell Technology....

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PP Abortion Mill, where the goal was to get as many abortions done as possible. the facility was unsterile and Gosnel like. PP did not tell women of STDs, and other crimes ... for what other reason than to make money.
Three pro-choice former employees of Planned Parenthood of Delaware become whistle-blowers against the organization. This event is a legislative hearing in Wilmington organized by State Senator Gregory Lavelle (R), and State Representative Gerald Brady (D).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=mzt8u-LC34w
Planned Parenthood tops $1 billion in assets | TheHill

2011 Data on PP finances
http://www.sba-list.org/sites/defaul...March_2011.pdf



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Senate Committee on Health & Human Services - Jul 29th, 2015
their testimony starts apx at the 2:25 mark.

In summery.
No real extra costs are incurred by PP to provide body parts beyond $5-$10 shipping.
So "reimbursement" costs are NOTHING close to a $100 -$200 PER body part.

the written consent forms do not detail changes of medical procedure OR that specific body parts are to be "harvested".
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Planned Parenthood partner Stem cell express


"An advertisement from StemExpress, one of Planned Parenthood’s partners, boasts of the “financial profits” that come from harvesting and distributing body parts and organs taken from aborted unborn babies.

The advertisement, which lists the many benefits of using StemExpress to distribute harvested human organs, explicitly highlights the financial rewards that come from aborting healthy unborn babies and then harvesting their bodies for organs and other tissue.

“Easy To Implement + Financial Profits,” blares one of the main headings in the StemExpress pamphlet.

“StemExpress promotes global biomedical research while also providing a financial benefit to your clinic,” reads one excerpt from the ad. Another section from the pamphlet says that StemExpress’s program also “fiscally rewards clinics” that choose to enroll.

An official from Planned Parenthood is even directly quoted in the advertisement praising the many benefits of partnering with StemExpress.

Although the company appears to specialize in the collection and distribution of stem cells, its advertisement also explicitly refers to “raw materials” resulting from abortions — materials such as human organs, tissues, and body parts — and how their distribution can contribute to the “fiscal growth” of participating abortion clinics.

The ad references the financial benefits of harvesting human body parts at least three times.

The StemExpress marketing material was obtained by the Center for Medical Progress, a non-profit that also released damning video of a senior Planned Parenthood official trying to sell body parts taken from aborted babies. In the video, the official brags about how she aborts babies in such a way that their body parts can be harvested and later sold."

Planned Parenthood Partner: Baby Organ Trafficking = "Financial Profits"
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If a known liar tells you something about a guy you hate you cannot believe it till you check other sources. AND it doesnt villify the guy you hate. It just meams a liar told a story that may or may not be true.
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If a known liar tells you something about a guy you hate you cannot believe it till you check other sources. AND it doesnt villify the guy you hate. It just meams a liar told a story that may or may not be true.
If someone who others accuse of a being a liar (but those others can't point out any serious "lies" only details of omission that don't seriously change the meat of what the "liar" presented)

and this "liar" has a video of a woman who worked somewhere who is giving an account of her personal experience.
and it lines up with other testimony from similar people you've heard over the years.
then there's good reason to think the Horror story told may be true IMO.

Look its not a story from CMP mouths AT ALL. they just passed it on. It's from the nurse.
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And Salt it doesn't not even make sense to me to assume that EVERYTHING a suspicious source says (or REPEATS in this case) is ALWAYS and automatically a lie.

do you hold Hillary to the same standard?
She's a PROVEN liar. that's a fact. And she married to, lives with and is "mentored" by a known liar.
do you question and completely dismiss her AND those that she presents as giving testimony to their work? Until you get backup info that you trust?
Obama is a KNOWN liar. That's a fact saw well.
do you question and completely dismiss his words AND anyone that he presents as giving testimony to what they've experienced?


at least be consistent in you outright dismissals.
Even I don't assume that Hillary and Obama lie ALL the time even when they are speaking against their political enemies.
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Yes all of them
The sherod video, the acorn video. All of them were PROVED to have been doctored. And I do not lie. So don't go there. If I was going to lie it certainly would not be in favor of planned parenthood. As far as I am concerned they can go blow and we certainly shouldn't be funding any of their crap. BUT I still don't think a lie is a good way to initiate the process.

I haven't seen anything but your opinion on that.

Despite FI66 making the attempt to pettifog my statement, and your persistence with unsupported accusations, you still have "proven" nothing.

Meanwhile the video speaks volumes cut or uncut.

State Senator Obama argue ferociously for the PP industry to allow, actually to force by law, that a fetus born live is still a fetus to be disposed of. Because that was the intention of the mother. Basically admitting by extension, that the mother wanted to kill her baby. An abomination to the sensibilities of moral people.
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PP's defense was an effective offense which included the valuable assistance of the SKDKnickerbocker PR firm. As far as I know, the exact financial details of PP and Stem Express have not been revealed. Cecile Richards assures us that all is ethical.
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