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My wish is that republicans would have to live under this morons leadership and the rest of us could just watch from the sidelines and not have to be involved. If that was the case I would love to see the right get their dream candidate.


What to do about China? It employs millions of people manufacturing things that used to be Made in America, and sells way more stuff to the United States than it buys from us.

Donald Trump’s solution is to get tough on China by imposing steep new tariffs on products made in China. The Republican presidential candidate told the New York Times recently that he’d levy a 45% tax on Chinese imports. The idea is to make Chinese goods more expensive so that American producers who pay their workers more can gain a competitive edge.

There’s a painful side effect to this plan, however: It would, well, make a lot of products more expensive, and most of the price hikes would come straight out of consumer wallets. China ships about $500 billion worth of goods to the United States every year, which is about one-fourth of all imports. Goods from China include iPhones, TVs, clothes, furniture, toys and a lot of other things found in nearly every American home. A 45% tariff on Chinese imports would encourage other low-cost exporters, such as Vietnam, Bangladesh and Mexico, to ship more goods to America. Whether U.S. producers would gain an edge is debatable.

Consumers would feel the pain

Protectionists often argue that the cost of tariffs is borne largely by producers in foreign countries. But inevitably, some or most of any additional tax gets passed on to people who buy the products. “When you institute a tariff, the price goes up for consumers,” says economist Adam Ozimek of Moody’s Analytics. “People will also buy less. So consumers are hurt not just by rising prices, but by consuming less.”

The portion of Trump’s 45% tax that would be passed onto consumers would depend on how much competition there is for any given product. Anything made exclusively in China would become considerably more expensive. A fancy $100 sweater made only in China wouldn’t suddenly cost $145, because there would be fewer buyers at the higher price, and weaker demand would force the manufacturer to adjust the price downward. But it might rise to $115 or $125, since the producer won’t sell at a loss and would have to account for the big jump in costs caused by the new tariff.

Even if there’s competition from producers in other countries, prices would still rise somewhat, since higher prices from one major source allows other sources to raise their prices, too, and make a bit more profit. So if clothes made in China were suddenly 45% more expensive to Americans, similar clothes made in Bangladesh would cost more, as well—not 45% more, but still, more.

That might help American producers making competing products, but even if it did, prices for consumers would still go up. And many low-wage industries that have migrated to China, such as textiles and electronics manufacturing, are likely to stay there. American businesses and entrepreneurs are more interested in making specialized products that can't be produced just anywhere, and in coming up with new producs that command higher profit margins. The best way to boost U.S. growth is to encourage high-end innovation, not to fence off low-wage jobs that can be performed anywhere.

If Trump were to get elected and actually put his tariff into effect, it would reverse a 20-year trend of declining prices for many consumer goods, which has helped offset the rising cost of important things like healthcare and college tuition and occasional spikes in the cost of energy. Overall inflation, excluding food and energy, is a scant 2% at the moment, a level so low that economists worry more about deflation than inflation. But a big tariff on imports would quickly make inflation a big pocketbook concern and leave consumers with less money to spend on other things. Combine that with rising energy prices or some other mild shock and it could even cause a recession.

Trump’s tariff plan would likely meet firm public resistance. Economists would also protest. “Economists disagree about a lot,” says Ozimek, “but there’s very strong agreement that free trade benefits Americans, on average.” A poll of economists by the University of Chicago, for instance, found that 100% of them believe U.S. trade with China makes most Americans better off.

Most economists also agree that free trade—like anything that improves efficiency and market performance—produces winners and losers. And the losers usually include people who get the job done slower, at a higher cost than competitors. Protecting underperformers isn’t likely to help the U.S. economy. Helping them perform better would.
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The rise of China to an economic power is what happens when a parasite is killing it's host.. the USA..

Bill Clinton has a lot to do with our current situation with China. Renting out the Lincoln bed room in the White house, to the Chinese..

The Chinese benefit ALOT from trade with us. Do we benefit as much in return, or is this relationship one sided, and a parasitic one?

I think the Chinese are at an advantage here, because of weak trade policies the we have allowed. Threatening tariffs may bring them to the table, so a more equitable trade balance would be struck. Trump will get their attention for sure, and we need them less than they need us.

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We should impose tariffs on China. Trade deals should not exist so companies can exploit dirt cheap labor. Because of these trade deals China is able to modernize and build up their military which will put America and it's interests at risk. What the **** did they think China was going to do with all that money from outsourcing? Give it to the poor? **** no. They spent on their military and other interests. Its a shame that so many republicans and even democrats have their lips wrapped around the cocks of big business that they would sell their country out like that.
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We should impose tariffs on China. Trade deals should not exist so companies can exploit dirt cheap labor. Because of these trade deals China is able to modernize and build up their military which will put America and it's interests at risk. What the **** did they think China was going to do with all that money from outsourcing? Give it to the poor? **** no. They spent on their military and other interests. Its a shame that so many republicans and even democrats have their lips wrapped around the cocks of big business that they would sell their country out like that.

And things we used to do here that the EPA shut down are now being done in China. Those items should not be allowed in the States at all.
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It was the corporate take over of congress and the ability for companies to chase lower labor cost markets that caused all of this. I have been complaining about it for years here. Now because Trump wants to put tariffs on people want to wake up. Well, Good morning and welcome to my world.
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And things we used to do here that the EPA shut down are now being done in China. Those items should not be allowed in the States at all.
Don't blame the EPA. It was just profit chasing by corporations.
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My wish is that republicans would have to live under this morons leadership and the rest of us could just watch from the sidelines and not have to be involved. If that was the case I would love to see the right get their dream candidate.


What to do about China? It employs millions of people manufacturing things that used to be Made in America, and sells way more stuff to the United States than it buys from us.

Donald Trump’s solution is to get tough on China by imposing steep new tariffs on products made in China. The Republican presidential candidate told the New York Times recently that he’d levy a 45% tax on Chinese imports. The idea is to make Chinese goods more expensive so that American producers who pay their workers more can gain a competitive edge.

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if we had strong unions i would agree w his plan. however at the lower wages we all are paid now it wouldn't work
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Don't blame the EPA. It was just profit chasing by corporations.

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It was the corporate take over of congress and the ability for companies to chase lower labor cost markets that caused all of this. I have been complaining about it for years here. Now because Trump wants to put tariffs on people want to wake up. Well, Good morning and welcome to my world.
His opposition to free trade seems to be about the only thing he has been consistent on.
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