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I used to live on the Mississippi River in Port Byron Illinois. Had train cars crossing my property daily to the power plants in Cordova.

I still think the pipeline is the most over hyped and one of the least important stories around
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Tell that to these people Mikkey,,, You know dam well Obama and the left are protecting their income source Warren aBuffet. It is all about the money and you sucked it in hook line and sinker




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Obviously you live in a location where roads are close by and not at some remote location. Some pipelines are 20 miles or more from any roads and travel through extremely remote locations.

Yes, many railroads run along rivers and, as you note, some trains can be up to a mile long which would place an emergency train up to 1/2 mile away from a disaster but 1/2 mile is a lot less than 10 or 20 miles from a pipeline disaster.

We can note in the Galena wreck the five cars ruptured and burned and it was along a river. The typical oil tanker car holds about 30,000 gallons so this represented a spill of about 150,000 gallons but most of it's burning and only a small amount is actually going into the river.

Yes, pipelines can be shut down once a rupture is detected but often they're not.



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A six-inch rupture in the pipeline when undetected for days and almost six-times as much oil was spewed into the environment when compared to Galena. None of this oil burned and while it didn't run directly into a river it will contaminate the water supply eventually. It is unlikely that much of it will be removed by clean-up crews because the spill is so large.

As I've noted (here or elsewhere) even when a pipeline is shutdown gravity will bleed the pipeline allowing more oil to spill into the environment. All of the oil above the rupture will escape through the rupture and the pipeline can even syphon oil over hills so long as the rupture is below the pipeline on the opposite side of the hill. Just shutting off the pumps doesn't stop the spill from spreading and pipelines carry a lot more oil that rail tanker cars.

Once agian I do believe we can build safer tanker cars and I support that but to think that rail tanker cars represent a greater environmental threat is simply not supported by the facts. Pipelines dump a lot more oil into the environment than rail tanker cars.

The newer pipelines have much better protection services built into them and access to them is built into the design.
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I don't care. We don't need their oil. How many times do I have to say this. We are above capacity now. ALL THE STORAGE IS FULL. NO PLACE FOR MORE OIL.
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I still think the pipeline is the most over hyped and one of the least important stories around.
Unfortunately it's being backed by very wealthy Republicans like the Koch brothers that make billions of dollars off of the energy business and they couldn't care less about the damage their industries create for the environment.
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I don't care. We don't need their oil. How many times do I have to say this. We are above capacity now. ALL THE STORAGE IS FULL. NO PLACE FOR MORE OIL.
We have capacity to pump oil yes. glad you noticed that. However, the new oil we now have is North Dakotan. THAT is the oil we need to run thru the pipeline to refineries in East St Louis, Oklahoma and Texas.

Not just the Canadian brews.

Currently it is going West thru a pipeline and will soon go east to Chicago and eventually Philly. Same pipeline company, same oil, same environment but,,,,, No one seems bothered by that pipeline.

Keystone fight is pure politics and mostly about political money.
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I don't care. We don't need their oil. How many times do I have to say this. We are above capacity now. ALL THE STORAGE IS FULL. NO PLACE FOR MORE OIL.
Why don't you stay on topic for once. Oh I know I am wasting my breath with that last statement.

This is not about whether we need the oil or not. It is about the safe transfer of the oil that is going to be shipped whether you think we need it or not.
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Unfortunately it's being backed by very wealthy Republicans like the Koch brothers that make billions of dollars off of the energy business and they couldn't care less about the damage their industries create for the environment.
And the rail isn't being backed by wealthy people such as the groups tied in with Warren Buffet. You seem to only see it one way and am blinded to the lefts lies on the pipeline. I am will to bet Buffet and the Koch brothers have put this plan in place together. And the left sure as hell isn't going to bit off the hand that feeds them. And it don't make no difference to the KOCH brothers if the pipeline is built or not, they will still make their money.

Hell the left isn't even pushing that much for better cars or better restrictions on the cars as Buffet and his group is lobbying against it.
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Why don't you stay on topic for once. Oh I know I am wasting my breath with that last statement.

This is not about whether we need the oil or not. It is about the safe transfer of the oil that is going to be shipped whether you think we need it or not.
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