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If I ever become gay I'm callin' you first.
Well if happens, you can get my number off the bathroom stall at Denny's. Any denny's.
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No foundit, that's not perspective. That's the disconnect from reality that pompous twits demonstrate because they can't fathom that they aren't justified in being pompous twits.
This isn't even a debate, really. It's a discussion. No one wins, no one concedes, no one loses. There's no key social issue at stake here, there's no great idea nor advancement of policy presented. No legislation, no budget item, no justification for an action.
It's just a discussion about why people think there is support or no support for the Republican agenda. It was OP'd by an obtuse jackass who scours the internet for hit pieces against those he finds politically unpalatable. Mikeyy the Shill posts some random article that doesn't even support itself nor has anything interesting and innovative to say and people comment and, of course, you blow in acting like you're the great debator who's going to make a case for giving the devil sympathy or something.
You're really not the hot sh1t you think you are. You're a pompous windbag that breeds conflict with the way you engage nearly every thread. And I'm going to fill you in on a little secret: you're tiresome because you repeat the same sh1t over and over. Blah blah blah <insert so and so changed the topic> Yada yada yada <so and so made it about ______>.
You spend more time debating the debate tactics of others than you do sticking to your own standards of debating. And it isn't even a ****ing debate this time because, at the end of the day, when discussing whether there's support for the Republican agenda or not, there's really only one thing to say:
Republicans have control of both houses, bitchez! BAM
But go ahead and tell me how I committed a capital offense according to Poindexter's Encyclopedia of Internet Debating Rules or whatever you get your pompous, windbagging sh1t from.
I'll just refer you back to the red letters. Just like they do when you have an objection in Sunday school.

I don't consider myself "hot sh1t". I just know what I am and am not interested in discussing.
I've told you before. I'm not interested in trading ad hominem barbs with you without discussing the topic.

If you feel like discussing the topic, let me know.
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Agian, you misread to your agenda. By original post I did not mean the opening post #1 but the post to which I am responding.
for instance, many posts are snarky comment that requires a simple negating response, not a tome and not a researched documentation.
And I never attack the source to make my argument. Disbelief is not an attack. And never use the they do it too excuse except to point it out as illegitimate..
As to the rest of the rant there, two words come to mind, fatuous effrontery.
Not everyone must find a link on the internet to have a cogent argument,,,,or thought. I am suggesting some who demand it are perhaps unable to think without help.
If the shoe fits............
If you don't want to dig up a poll on the internet, I can understand that.

But ultimately I see two things here...
1) Is there any reason beyond "because" that people disregard the evidence provided? It doesn't have to be a competing poll. Just some reason with some level of depth...

2) Is there an even-handed approach to what is occurring and has occurred in the past?
Some people are fond of chastising Democrats for similar "We won so our agenda is mandated" approach in the past. And I can sympathize with that.
But now the Republicans are pulling the "We won so our agenda is mandated" routine...

Is one party okay for doing that?
What's the difference?

Are both parties in the wrong for doing that?
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I don't consider myself "hot sh1t". I just know what I am and am not interested in discussing.
I've told you before. I'm not interested in trading ad hominem barbs with you without discussing the topic.

If you feel like discussing the topic, let me know.
Well then why did you bother to ****ing respond, Poindexter?

And I already told you all there is to discuss on the topic: refer back to the red letters in my post. The truth is always found in the red letters.

What are you going to do now? Cry about it, tell me how I'm a bad, bad, bad debator and throw out a few Latin words like a pompous twit? Throw your pocket protector and stomp on your scientific calculator?

Pfffffffft......
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Well if happens, you can get my number off the bathroom stall at Denny's. Any denny's.
Even Denny Crane?!?!?!?!....
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Even Denny Crane?!?!?!?!....
Especially Denny Crane.
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So? As the election recent just showed us, Americans are now quite hostile towards all things Democrat.
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Great. Now we have Useless Twaddle in the same thread with Pompous Windbag.

Does the thread now die or do they cancel each other out?
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Well then why did you bother to ****ing respond, Poindexter?
And I already told you all there is to discuss on the topic: refer back to the red letters in my post. The truth is always found in the red letters.
What are you going to do now? Cry about it, tell me how I'm a bad, bad, bad debator and throw out a few Latin words like a pompous twit? Throw your pocket protector and stomp on your scientific calculator?
Pfffffffft......
1) Why did I respond?
Cause I hoped you could be persuaded to provide a topical comment. Simple as that.

2) What am I going to do now?
Recognize you are now in your "red zone" and unwilling to discuss the topic intelligently.
If you think emotion is wasted on your internet diatribe, you over-estimate your impact...
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Good points.


Since the elections last week, a number of conservative politicians and political pundits have suggested that the Republican Party's wins were a mandate. The question is, a mandate for what?

Republicans didn't have a national issue that they rode to victory. Some Republicans ran on the belief that the economy was broken and need to be fixed, while others suggested the economy was flourishing under their tutelage. Many Republicans resorted to fear mongering over the faint threats of ISIS and Ebola. Essentially, the only issue that Republican candidates agreed on was making this election about President Barack Obama. While effective, this is hardly an endorsement of standard Republican policy.

The reality is that the congressional Republican agenda stands in stark contrast to the interests of the general public. While Republican legislators have voted over 50 times on some form of repeal of the Affordable Care Act (affectionately known as Obamacare) only 39 percent of Americans support a repeal. Some 57% want to keep the law in place.

Republican legislators' views on Obamacare are just one of many topics where their opinion diverges from voters.

For years, Republicans have been looking for ways to eliminate a woman's right to choose, however only 22 percent of the public agrees with this stance. Even in deeply red states, "personhood" measures have been soundly defeated.

Many Republican lawmakers have fought tooth and nail to keep same sex couples from enjoying the benefits of marriage in spite of the fact that such bigotry has been deemed unconstitutional by a number of courts.

All told, some 42 percent of Americans currently agree with the Republican position. But perhaps worst yet for these Republicans is that the data show that nearly 80 percent of adults between the age of 18 and 29 support marriage equality.

President Obama made income inequality a top concern for his administration, but Republicans have so far stood in the way of any meaningful legislation to address what many economists see as a serious concern for economic growth. This despite the reality that 67 percent of Americans are dissatisfied with the current wealth distribution.

The power of the NRA to manipulate politicians, especially Republicans, resulted in the death of a bill that would have approved universal background checks despite the fact that 92 percent of voters and 92 percent of gun owners support such a measure.

When discussing climate change, many Republican have resorted to the party approved talking point of "I'm not a scientist". Apparently they believe their lack of knowledge is a valid excuse to act in opposition to what 84% of those who are scientist agree on.

A full 81 percent of Americans believe we should have net neutrality instead of offering the Republican-backed position of "fast lanes".

More than 8 in 10 Americans supported a Senate bill that would have given illegal immigrants a pathway to citizenship. Unfortunately, this bill was shelved by the Republican-controlled House.

Republicans stand in opposition to legalizing pot despite the increasing number of states that have voted in favor of decriminalization.

Public education and teachers in particular have come under attacks by Republicans across the country, even though 75 percent of parents are satisfied with their child's education. So while Republicans continue to sell the idea of a crisis in education that can only be fixed by eliminating teachers unions, paying teachers less, and corporatizing students, Americans believe that lack of funding is the biggest problem currently facing education. Additionally, two thirds of Americans say they would pay more taxes to help struggling cash strapped urban schools.

Americans also disagree with Republicans on the use of vouchers in public education with 56 percent of responding against using public funds for private schools.

This is also true of vouchers for Medicare, where only 34 percent of Americans support such a change.

Of course these only represent a small portion of the divide that exists between Republican politicians and the general public. Eighty percent of Americans are against the Citizens United ruling, only 28 percent of Americans agree with the Republican assertion that we spend too little on the military, 83 percent of Americans are against an increase in student loan rates, 55 percent of Americans believe capital gains should be taxed at the same rate as other income not at a lower rate (or at zero) like many Republican legislators believe, just 40 percent of Americans support the Republican position of cutting food stamps, and 60 percent of Americans favor raising taxes on the rich.

In the end the best thing Republicans had going for them in this election was the fact that they weren't in the same party as President Obama. But it would be a huge mistake for them to act as though this was an endorsement of their policies -- a mistake they seem likely to make. A mistake that seems destined to be part of the 2016 Republican autopsy.

Americans Don't Support the Republican Agenda|Dale Hansen
Dale makes some interesting points and gives out some interesting percentages. Some seem to probably be true, others not so much. Did he give his sources? I think Mikey and Foundit have a good point. I don't think the country is more conservative or rightwing than before, but I do think they are tired of all the division, black/white, rich/poor etc... They also do not think the Whitehouse should get involved in local matters, like Travon and Ferguson. Although I'm sure some black folks enjoy the continuous fanning of the race flame. The people are also tired of being blatantly lied to, over and over again. And why is it, one day Obama knows nothing about anything and finds out things by reading the paper. The next day he knows everything about everything and is the smartest man in the world?
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