Why Islam is a Greater Threat Than Christianity - Page 3

foundit66 · #21 (**permalink**) 08-01-2008, 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by mlurp

I guess you will get a surprise someday. Your backing a loser. The only race that doesn't have any imports unless they are for killing, doesn't have exports except rugs and IED's.

I'm not sure but isn't "oil" a big part of all this?
Quite frankly, I see it as one of the major reasons why there is such a large component of Islam followers that warrant scrutiny and concern.
Such incredibly large chunk$ of money$ pumped into their economy, and they don't really "have to do" anything for it.
They don't have to create new computers. Don't have to create faster engines. It's all under the sand in their land.

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Originally Posted by mlurp

Think what you want. I said it and I'm not about to change my mind. You and the rest of the stupid world will learn the hard way.
When you can't question your religion then it will make you do as the leaders of it want. And we see just how the leaders think. They teach hate right here in America.

cnredd had some great posts on percentages. Really eye-openers, IMO.
They showed an obvious contigent of Islam that support some of the most vile actions.
Unfortunately, I haven't seen any U.S. statistics on that. These were in foreign countries.

While I have no doubt that "hate" is taught in the U.S ., I have yet to see any real data on it being supported by a majority or even a large percentage of the American Muslims.

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Originally Posted by mlurp

You do gooders are a blind lot. Now I'm moving on and unsubscribing from this thread. Some day I will drag it back up and taunt you with I told you so!!!!!!!!!!
And in less than 4 years I will! I give it 4 years for the writing on the wall to smack you and the rest of the do gooders right in the face!

"4 years"???
Not even Christianity, with all its benefits of explicit Jesus saying "Love thy neighbor", evolved that fast.

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Originally Posted by cnredd

Ask that question again and end it with "in the last 200 years" and then ask it again with Christianity replaced with Islam...

I think I just mentioned some.
The Nazis utilized Christianity in their condemnation and extermination of the Jews.
Even in the U.S., how many died because of an ideal of "Manifest Destiny" whereby "Americans" took over the land forcibly from the Native Americans...

But the point is not the comparison, but rather the development.

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Originally Posted by cnredd

That's the main problem with anti-Christians...

Pointing out that Christianity has evolved is "anti-Christian"?
Pointing out where Christianity has faltered in the past is "anti-Christian"?
I think the real problem is that you're inherently anti-Islam, and you don't like Christianity compared at all.

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Originally Posted by cnredd

They're more than happy to equate today's issue of Islam acting like savages with Christians who did the very same thing....400 YEARS AGO!...

The way I look at it is this.
You have two brothers. Mark is twenty-five, engaged, has a steady job, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Paul is 14. He's skipping classes. Hanging out with his crowd that has alcohol. yadda, yadda, yadda.

Mark did the same thing 11 years ago.
Would it make sense to come along and unilaterally condemn Paul? Claiming that he'll never amount to anything?
Why can't he be more like his brother? etc, etc, etc...

No. Cause obviously OVER TIME, there is the possibility for Paul to change.
When people pop on here identifying the RELIGION as bad, I see that as saying Paul is bad. Claiming the RELIGION, instead of the actual extremist adherents ignoring Paul's other positive attributes, is bad is a sweeping generalization.
And for Mark to condemn Paul, ignoring the fact that he used to behave the same way, is pompous.

Over and over again my message gets distorted.
And quite frankly, I don't see ANYBODY really talking about what I am talking about.
There ARE Muslims who condemn the violence. They condemn the "flying imams" crap.
They DO exist. THEY are Paul's potential.
Unilaterally condemning Paul will most likely lead to Paul living up to negative expectations. We SEE that over and over again.
Correcting Paul's ACTIONS, and acknowledging the GOOD where it exists, is more sensible.

I have YET to see anybody explain why acknowledging the GOOD that exists in Islam is such a bad thing.
Acknowledge the bad? YES. Ignoring it will only exacerbate the problem.
But writing it off entirely as bad? That's counter-productive.

faithful_servant · #22 (**permalink**) 08-04-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

The way I look at it is this.
You have two brothers. Mark is twenty-five, engaged, has a steady job, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Paul is 14. He's skipping classes. Hanging out with his crowd that has alcohol. yadda, yadda, yadda.

Mark did the same thing 11 years ago.
Would it make sense to come along and unilaterally condemn Paul? Claiming that he'll never amount to anything?
Why can't he be more like his brother? etc, etc, etc...

No. Cause obviously OVER TIME, there is the possibility for Paul to change.
When people pop on here identifying the RELIGION as bad, I see that as saying Paul is bad. Claiming the RELIGION, instead of the actual extremist adherents ignoring Paul's other positive attributes, is bad is a sweeping generalization.
And for Mark to condemn Paul, ignoring the fact that he used to behave the same way, is pompous.

Over and over again my message gets distorted.
And quite frankly, I don't see ANYBODY really talking about what I am talking about.
There ARE Muslims who condemn the violence. They condemn the "flying imams" crap.
They DO exist. THEY are Paul's potential.
Unilaterally condemning Paul will most likely lead to Paul living up to negative expectations. We SEE that over and over again.
Correcting Paul's ACTIONS, and acknowledging the GOOD where it exists, is more sensible.

I have YET to see anybody explain why acknowledging the GOOD that exists in Islam is such a bad thing.
Acknowledge the bad? YES. Ignoring it will only exacerbate the problem.
But writing it off entirely as bad? That's counter-productive.

You're analogy is flawed. The truth is that Mark was being told repeatedly by his parents (God, by way of the Bible) and chose to ignore them. He also had numerous friends who were telling him to stop what he was doing and chose again to ignore them. Paul, OTH, has been trained by his parents to act this way and is encouraged by them when he does it. He also has friends who are eggind him on, providing him with assistance in what he's doing and almost none who were telling him it was wrong.

You want to try to equate Medieval Christianity with modern day Islam, yet, even in Medieval times, there was a strong voice among Christianity calling for peace (primarily the Fransiscans and Hospitalers). Today, the only voices we hear demanding peace are few and well removed from the centers of power among Islam.

762nato · #23 (**permalink**) 11-26-2010, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by tristanrobin

So, it's just like the New Testament canceling out parts of the Old Testament?

The New Testement does not cancel out the Old Testament. There is no principle of abrogation in Christainity, there is is Islam. The logic being is that Mohammad had to keep his real intentions quiet until he had enough political power to defend them.

762nato · #24 (**permalink**) 11-26-2010, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tristanrobin

yeah, yeah, yeah
you know all about it

I've educated YOU and you continue to act as if you are ignorant and lead others into the same ignorance

You have educated no one. You have just pushed your liberal anti Christian nonsense that chooses to ignore the threat to peace and freedom that is fundamental to Islam. It is points of view like yours that our Islamic enemies use against us in order to gain an increasing foothold in and eventually dominate our society. It is a shame that people like you exist. Your liberal politically correct point of view aids and abets our enemies. The ironic thing is that your liberal attitudes will be abolished by Muslims if they ever gain power.

Billo_Really · #25 (**permalink**) 11-26-2010, 11:20 AM

Why did Christianity lose Jesus?

762nato · #26 (**permalink**) 11-26-2010, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Billo_Really

Why did Christianity lose Jesus?

I put a "thanks" on your post only because it is not as stupid as usual

Fitnah · #27 (**permalink**) 11-26-2010, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by 762nato

The New Testement does not cancel out the Old Testament.

Depends on what denomination of Christianity you subscribe to.

The Church of Christ for instance.

Has Bibles that only include only the New Testament and not the Old Testament.

They say because the O.T. is no longer in effect and thus doesn't apply to Christianity.

Billo_Really · #28 (**permalink**) 11-26-2010, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 762nato

I put a "thanks" on your post only because it is not as stupid as usual

But it's just as true as all the rest.

762nato · #29 (**permalink**) 11-26-2010, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

I'm not sure but isn't "oil" a big part of all this?
Quite frankly, I see it as one of the major reasons why there is such a large component of Islam followers that warrant scrutiny and concern.
Such incredibly large chunk$ of money$ pumped into their economy, and they don't really "have to do" anything for it.
They don't have to create new computers. Don't have to create faster engines. It's all under the sand in their land.

cnredd had some great posts on percentages. Really eye-openers, IMO.
They showed an obvious contigent of Islam that support some of the most vile actions.
Unfortunately, I haven't seen any U.S. statistics on that. These were in foreign countries.

While I have no doubt that "hate" is taught in the U.S ., I have yet to see any real data on it being supported by a majority or even a large percentage of the American Muslims.

"4 years"???
Not even Christianity, with all its benefits of explicit Jesus saying "Love thy neighbor", evolved that fast.

I think I just mentioned some.
The Nazis utilized Christianity in their condemnation and extermination of the Jews.
Even in the U.S., how many died because of an ideal of "Manifest Destiny" whereby "Americans" took over the land forcibly from the Native Americans...

But the point is not the comparison, but rather the development.

Pointing out that Christianity has evolved is "anti-Christian"?
Pointing out where Christianity has faltered in the past is "anti-Christian"?
I think the real problem is that you're inherently anti-Islam, and you don't like Christianity compared at all.

The way I look at it is this.
You have two brothers. Mark is twenty-five, engaged, has a steady job, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Paul is 14. He's skipping classes. Hanging out with his crowd that has alcohol. yadda, yadda, yadda.

Mark did the same thing 11 years ago.
Would it make sense to come along and unilaterally condemn Paul? Claiming that he'll never amount to anything?
Why can't he be more like his brother? etc, etc, etc...

No. Cause obviously OVER TIME, there is the possibility for Paul to change.
When people pop on here identifying the RELIGION as bad, I see that as saying Paul is bad. Claiming the RELIGION, instead of the actual extremist adherents ignoring Paul's other positive attributes, is bad is a sweeping generalization.
And for Mark to condemn Paul, ignoring the fact that he used to behave the same way, is pompous.

Over and over again my message gets distorted.
And quite frankly, I don't see ANYBODY really talking about what I am talking about.
There ARE Muslims who condemn the violence. They condemn the "flying imams" crap.
They DO exist. THEY are Paul's potential.
Unilaterally condemning Paul will most likely lead to Paul living up to negative expectations. We SEE that over and over again.
Correcting Paul's ACTIONS, and acknowledging the GOOD where it exists, is more sensible.

I have YET to see anybody explain why acknowledging the GOOD that exists in Islam is such a bad thing.
Acknowledge the bad? YES. Ignoring it will only exacerbate the problem.
But writing it off entirely as bad? That's counter-productive.

It is ironic that an admitted homosexual like yourself would defend Islam. I realize you are anti-Christain because Christianity will not condone your sexual proclivity. However, Islam will execute you for being a homosexual. It just defies logic.

762nato · #30 (**permalink**) 11-26-2010, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Fitnah

Depends on what denomination of Christianity you subscribe to.

The Church of Christ for instance.

Has Bibles that only include only the New Testament and not the Old Testament.

They say because the O.T. is no longer in effect and thus doesn't apply to Christianity.

Many Christain denominations do not emphasize the Old Testament. Morover many Protestent denominations de-emphasice the parts of the RC Gospel. So what.That is not the same as saying that the writing on the last page of the Q'uran rejects the writing on the front page. The last verses of the Quran emphasize killing or enslaving those who will not convert to Islam. Those are the verses that are the basis of Islmic world domination (aka Islamic Jihad.)

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