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Old 05-29-2014, 11:27 AM
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I thought the Posse Comitatus Act kept the federal government from using the military under any circumstances against American civilians? Is this another law Obama intends to ignore?

According to the article, the directive has already been written and is in place. It gives the president the right to use military forces to quell civil disturbances. Tyranny anyone?
That authority is very limited and can only be used when state law enforcement is incapable of or refuses to put down an insurrection of the people. Under Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution the federal government is authorized to put down insurrections using the military.

I don't find anything especially unusual or of concern when a policy is based upon explicit language contained in the US Constitution.

On the otherhand I'm highly opposed to extrajudical executions authorized by the US government regardless of where they occur or who is assassinated. By definition an "extrajudicial" is outside of the statutory authority of government and these extajudical executions are "murder by government" as they are not lawfully sanctioned. If they occur outside of the United States then not only do they violate the US Constitution they also violate international law.

On another forum I called for the impeachment, removal from office, and prosecution of President Obama for authorizing "murder" by committing extrajudical executions.

Of course I've also called for the prosecution of former President Bush by the International Court of Criminal Justice for war crimes and crimes agianst humanity because the US government failed to prosecute him for torture and murder related to war that are both violations of the US Constitution and statutory laws of the United States.

Then again I've called for the impeachment, removal from office, and prosecution of every president going back to Reagan because every one of them has violated the US Constitution and the statutory laws of the United States.

Bottom line I'm pretty fed up with presidents that refuse to follow the Constitution and statutory laws of the United States because apparently none of them believe that they have to do this. We need to start throwing them in prison and maybe then they would follow the laws and Constitution in the future.
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Old 05-29-2014, 11:38 AM
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That authority is very limited and can only be used when state law enforcement is incapable of or refuses to put down an insurrection of the people. Under Article I Section 8 of the US Constitution the federal government is authorized to put down insurrections using the military.

I don't find anything especially unusual or of concern when a policy is based upon explicit language contained in the US Constitution.

On the otherhand I'm highly opposed to extrajudical executions authorized by the US government regardless of where they occur or who is assassinated. By definition an "extrajudicial" is outside of the statutory authority of government and these extajudical executions are "murder by government" as they are not lawfully sanctioned. If they occur outside of the United States then not only do they violate the US Constitution they also violate international law.

On another forum I called for the impeachment, removal from office, and prosecution of President Obama for authorizing "murder" by committing extrajudical executions.

Of course I've also called for the prosecution of former President Bush by the International Court of Criminal Justice for war crimes and crimes agianst humanity because the US government failed to prosecute him for torture and murder related to war that are both violations of the US Constitution and statutory laws of the United States.

Then again I've called for the impeachment, removal from office, and prosecution of every president going back to Reagan because every one of them has violated the US Constitution and the statutory laws of the United States.

Bottom line I'm pretty fed up with presidents that refuse to follow the Constitution and statutory laws of the United States because apparently none of them believe that they have to do this. We need to start throwing them in prison and maybe then they would follow the laws and Constitution in the future.
Just asking, not challenging your comments but....
By your standards of measure for impeachement, could not virtually every President in our history be so accused?
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Just asking, not challenging your comments but....
By your standards of measure for impeachement, could not virtually every President in our history be so accused?
I obviously haven't checked the history of every president and can't answer that. I would differentiate between violation of an "adminstrative law" and a "criminal law" in addressing that if I were to do the investigation.

I don't believe a president can be held accountable for violation of the US Constitution alone. If there isn't a statutory law then I don't believe a violation of the Constitution can be prosecuted. If violation of the Constitutioni itself could be prosecuted then you'd be correct because either knowingly or by ignorance all presidents have violated the US Constitution.
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First, You are talking to a guy who doesn't think the 2nd amendment means what some of you folks take it to mean. We all know the argument. I can't get into the paranoia of someone thinking Obama is organizing to shoot civilians.
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So, the BLM didn't actually do that? The facts are differnt than the images in the recent news? Enlighten us.

The founders of our nation were not "hater" but they insisted the right to bear arms to be a "civil Right" of an merican citizen. How do you translate the defense of that right into some kind of hate?

Your favorite word it would seem. Are your vocabulary skills that limited?
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First, You are talking to a guy who doesn't think the 2nd amendment means what some of you folks take it to mean. We all know the argument. I can't get into the paranoia of someone thinking Obama is organizing to shoot civilians.
I have no idea how you connected to the 2nd here.

What the OP is posting is from the perpective that the Presidents from Reagan up have done what virtually all of them have done when excercising power of Office to defend the nation. But, (since we now let lawyers parse and mondegreen the meaning of the words instead of the intent of use in our laws), *we can accuse Bush, Clinton, even Obama of horrendeous crimes.

Not really but for the sake of argument. I just wondered how far back into history he would wander.

*The bold is my interpretation.
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If the BLM will employ these very assets to corral a rancher and his cattle, All over a Turtle habitat, surely your outrageous suggestion is plausible
Here is more of what I was talking about.

Report: Directive Details Obama’s Plan to Use Military Force Against Americans within the U.S.
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I can't get into the paranoia of someone thinking Obama is organizing to shoot civilians.
I believe it was Sen Rand Paul that asked the White House about "if and under what conditiions" the White House might consider using the US military inside of the United States and the response was basically what is being addressed here.

If there is an insurrection by the people that local law enforcement cannot deal with or where local law enforcement fails to respond the White House would consider using the US military to suppress the insurrection. This is in perfect alignment with the provisions of Article I Section 8 and i can't imagine anyone objecting to the President carrying out responsibilities enumerated in the Constitution..... except for the "irrational-right" that condemns Obama for anything under the sun.
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