Hey BTW there's a war going on - Page 3

foundit66 · #21 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by faithful_servant

IOW -"I want to rant about Iraq, but no one's listening."

FS, YOU are not listening.
I wouldn't count out the rest of the American public so quickly...

And the fact that the Republicans who want to justify the war can't answer the hard questions is not lost on the rest of the American public...

So keep obfuscating the issue.
The American people are not impressed, and their voices WILL be heard at the ballot box.

Mikeyy · #22 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by faithful_servant

IOW -"I want to rant about Iraq, but no one's listening." You've lost your soapbox and you want someone to give it back? You want to hear more criticisms about Iraq, but you aren't hearing them any more? Just maybe you aren't hearing about the problem in Iraq because the problems are going away. Are there still issues to be addressed? Yep. Are you going to keep focusing 100% on the problems? YEP!! Is Iraq going to keep getting better and better? Probably. Is terrorism less of a threat today because of what we accomplished in Iraq? YES!!!! You want to find new and creative ways to bitch and complain and since you can't you're complaining about the lack of new and creative ways to complain about Iraq. You need to accept that in spite of all of the left's denials that we could help the Iraqi people, we did it. In spite of uor own people undercutting our efforts there, we still persevered and overcame the terrorist who were trying to control the Iraqi people and along the way showed the terrorists of the world that there people in this world willing to sacrifice to stop them. Terrorists depend on the attitude that "the sacrifice is too great to fight". They use fear of violence to make people decide that the sacrifice of lives is too great to fight against them. They use fear of economic harm to make people decide that the sacrifice of their LUXURIES is too great a price to pay to fight them. You live under the fear that the terrorists live on, feed on, depend on for thier success. They would love for America to say "it costs too much to fight the terrorist, so let's stop". That's what YOU'RE saying. It's called 4th Generation Warfare and you can consider yourself a casuality that's become an asset for those we are fighting.

Freaking Amazing. Now I'm with al queda. If you think Iraq was a terrorist stronghold there is not much to say. Its like arguing religion. If you think I said we should leave because its expensive your not reading my posts. And who said we shouldn't fight because its hard? You keep addressing things that are not being said. Maybe you can't read what I wrote. I have more invested in this war then most. I don't like the way its being handled or reported. So now I want defeat. Now I am with the enemy. Don't complain about our mission or you are with Al queda. Do me a favor and get over the partisan talking points. If you are going to address my posts go ahead.

faithful_servant · #23 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikeyy

Freaking Amazing. Now I'm with al queda. If you think Iraq was a terrorist stronghold there is not much to say. Its like arguing religion. If you think I said we should leave because its expensive your not reading my posts. And who said we shouldn't fight because its hard? You keep addressing things that are not being said. Maybe you can't read what I wrote. I have more invested in this war then most. I don't like the way its being handled or reported. So now I want defeat. Now I am with the enemy. Don't complain about our mission or you are with Al queda. Do me a favor and get over the partisan talking points. If you are going to address my posts go ahead.

Iraq was a gov't by terror. A lot of the resident Iraqi terrorists that we, the IA, and IP were fighting were former military and police that lost the absolute authority of fear that they had enjoyed. They were trying to reinstate the gov't by terror (Terrorocracy) that the Baathists had created. Iraq was by definition a terrorists ran and dominated nation under the Batthists. They just had uniforms and official authority to be terrorists.

Study 4th Generation warfare, Mikeyy. It's a method of warfare wherein a less militarily powerful group attacks a stronger enemy by sapping it's will to fight. It was how the NVA won the Viet Nam war when they were getting beaten at every turn. It's the one and only hope that the terrorists/criminals in Iraq of winning. When you start blathering on about how we should quit in Iraq because it's too expensive, you are playing into the hands of the terrorists. They made you lose your will to win and now have you playing thier tune of "Quit, because it costs too much."

Spencer Collins · #24 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by foundit66

Invasion and removal of Saddam from power were not our only options.Furthermore, to pretend that "we agreed to remove our forces ..." is missing part of the picture.Suppose Saddam hadn't "agreed" to the treaty. Would we have been justified in just occupying his country forever?

No..they were not the only options,removing Saddam was the BEST option! Furthermore,congress agreed to it based on the same information available to the BA.Forget your "suppositions" and let's look at the REALITY of the situation! Saddam was violating his own agreements on a fairly regular basis and you want to give him a free pass.Can't you see that your response is exactly what Saddam was counting on? Furthermore..Occupying Iraq FOREVER is a gross exaggeration! There are many things wrong with this war but Saddam's removal from power is not one of them.We chose to deal with a weaker Saddam now as opposed to dealing with a much stronger Saddam at a later date when our options would truly be much more limited and the consequences potentially far greater!

cnredd · #25 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 03:03 PM

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We chose to deal with a weaker Saddam now as opposed to dealing with a much stronger Saddam at a later date when our options would truly be much more limited and the consequences potentially far greater!

And the very same critics of the current situation would've been screaming that the Bush Administration would be at fault because they DIDN'T take action...

Spencer Collins · #26 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 03:37 PM

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And the very same critics of the current situation would've been screaming that the Bush Administration would be at fault because they DIDN'T take action...

Absolutely right....dammed if you do and dammed if you don't...

Mikeyy · #27 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 03:56 PM

I don't even know what we are talking about anymore. Thats not what this thread was about. and those lat two comments are BS guys.

faithful_servant · #28 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 08:32 PM

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I don't even know what we are talking about anymore. Thats not what this thread was about. and those lat two comments are BS guys.

IOW - "No one wants to join in with my bash OIF rant thread."

foundit66 · #29 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cnredd

And the very same critics of the current situation would've been screaming that the Bush Administration would be at fault because they DIDN'T take action...

That IS just plain BS.

But don't let me stop you from telling me what my opinion supposedly is...

I supported Bush Senior's original invasion of Iraq. That was undoubtedly too far. And based on the ACTUAL situation, Americans agreed.

You and I BOTH know that if the American public had been told THE TRUTH about what Saddam was doing, America would not have supported it.
Quotes from the BA team PROVE THEY knew it as well.

And they COLORED the situation to MATCH their goal of going to war, instead of presenting ALL the facts to the American people.
In what world is that right???

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Originally Posted by faithful_servant

IOW - "No one wants to join in with my bash OIF rant thread."

If you don't want to "join in", that's one thing.
PURPOSELY DERAILING THE THREAD by bringing up off topic junk is quite the other.

Mikeyy · #30 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by faithful_servant

IOW - "No one wants to join in with my bash OIF rant thread."

Hey if you guys want to go in to it lets get it on. We were attacked on 9-11. Bush had 90 something percent approval. Not only did the people support that war. The world supported or understood it. We had a chance to clean up one situation. Possibly the Pakistan problem as well. But the administration didn't care about that. They had their minds on Saddam and his oil from the start. So this entire fuck up lies at their feet. The deaths and damage of thousands of Americans lies with them. Because had we finished the first job well we could have sustained the coalitions needed to easily solve the Iraq problem. So if anyone is getting a little confused it has never been me. Because I never bought the BS. I told you about my super powers didn't I? That's right. I can see through BS.

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