Originally Posted by aaronssongs

I'm sorry, but I'm not buying the premise of "passing the buck"...because slavery was an established enterprise and hugely profitable, does not excuse its' wrongness.
It's just like the Jimmy Swaggerts and Jim Bakkers of the world, despite the good that they did, they f'ed up, and lost complete credibility. So what.
I'm supposed to go to "the source" and read their justifications for the abuse and enslavement of human beings, that cannot be justified by any standard?
No, thank you.

Originally Posted by aaronssongs

Of course we should be concerned....but we've had 8 years of unwillingness on the part of the Bush administration to sit down and talk, diplomatically, and now it has escalated to this...who would you blame for being stubborn and arrogant? The Iranians? Try stepping outside of your little prim box, and put yourself in their shoes. The bully on the proverbial block wouldn't be them. The war in Iraq was a "god-send" to some, who have been waiting for the excuse to get a foothold in the region for years (even on a "trumped-up" charge)...oh, and the profits....can't you just see it....The Iraqi people?????

Originally Posted by saltwn

I only wish to address this part of your post as it is the most coherent.

And it would be up to you to determine which part that was, correct?

Yes I do. The Iranians. But what you fail to take into consideration, is that they were not taken just because the Iranians had nothing better to do, in was in response to America's support for The Shah, whom the Iranians despised, who had pulled a Marie Antoinette attitude on his people and snubbed the religious clerics and their call for a more fundamentalist approach. Once again, ignoring the meddling and machinations of the American government.



So what? What does that have to do with tea in China, or opium in Afghanistan?


Again you are implying The government of the United States has ought against the private citizen of Iran.
We have issues with the government of Iran. The rebel government that didn't even know if they wanted to kidnap hostages in the Soviet Union or Iran till the last minute! And the mentally disturbed Ayatollah who was
put in power had been banned from his own country before that little escapade!

Originally Posted by bossfan

Pay closer attention, aaronssongs. Nobody is making excuses. Nobody is suggesting that it wasn't wrong.

If you desire to be the "Conservatives' Bane" as you announce, you had better do a better job of it than you are doing. Up to now you are nothing more than a platform for people like me from which to share the truth.

Yes, you are supposed to go to "the source". Otherwise, you have absolutely no idea about the things of which you are commenting.

Originally Posted by aaronssongs

Excuse me...but folks arguing for the glory of slavery, would last people that I would trust. I know the mindset...I don't need further clarification.

Originally Posted by aaronssongs

Excuse me...but folks arguing for the glory of slavery, would last people that I would trust. I know the mindset...I don't need further clarification.

Originally Posted by bossfan

Well, then, you are judging a lot of people wrongly, dare I say even prejudging people without knowing much if anything about them or what you accuse them of. In that regard, you are no different than being guilty of the same thing as that of a racist.

If you are not going to judge a person on the content of his/her character (and you can't if you are closed minded and refuse to know them) then you are no different than the people you bewail.

No wonder you seem so miserable and unhappy all the time.

Originally Posted by aaronssongs

Really. If that's the conclusion you draw, you have my sympathies.
And you have some audacity in accusing someone else of judging, when that's all that seems to go on here....judging and smearing, without factual evidence...the twisting of words said, and the 'tar and feathering" without cause....I guess if that's what you're used to doing, why do something different now.
And you people still claim to know who I am, and what I'm about...nothing could be further from the truth. Stop trying. I am not you.
I am very very happy.
Just went to a party that I was "invited to", on yesterday....local artist extraordinaire, John Palmer (JohnPalmerArt.com), whom I interviewed last year for Outsmart magazine. The crowd was mostly "white", and I was greeted and toasted by many of the patrons, as I'm somewhat of a fixture in the artistic community of Houston....I heard no cries of "racist", the entire evening. Jealous?

Originally Posted by AmericanDreamer

Update....it's 2008....Bush is not running for President...Obama is. Sounds like you need to have a better understanding of what the impeachment process is all about.

No, you see...people were willing to give the "unproven' George Bush a chance...mainly because he was what everyone was used to, a "white" politico, who would see to it that "whites" stayed on top, got all the goodies, and would see their agendas met.
No way in hell, would they do the same for Obama, who has more intelligence, compassion, and commitment than George Bush, who can even spell the words. But let's lets overlook that aspect. Better to trumpet "hearsay" and innuendo as "facts" and shoot the man down before he is afforded the same gravitas as Bush. It ain't all about his inexperience or his viewpoints and rhetoric....folks are just too ashamed to admit the truth....they are bona fide racists, and would vote for a dog, before a black man ( and don't even put up Colin Powell, or Condie Rice, cuz they ain't running, and they are de facto "white folks")


I agree. Obama may not be the best choice. At least you admit that.


No, he may not be.....but what are the alternatives? Paul? McCain? Barr?
I happen to think he is the best choice, the best choice in a very long time...long, long, long overdue. And the fact that he is black, is only one of the reasons I'm voting for him, as a change from tired ol' white men, who seem to be more self-serving than "of the people".

Sounds like the only reason you will vote for Obama is because he's black. You have no clue as to what exactly he will do if elected because he really doesn't say mauch about it. After he secured the Dem nomination he seemed to flip-flop on his promises. You have no clue as to what he is capable of.

As I said, it is one of the reasons I'm voting for him...I could turn it about and say to you, it's the reason you're not voting for him...who would be telling the truth? You or me? Or both? That's a thought.
We had no clue that George Bush would lead us into an "unholy war", totally unjustified, and illegal. No one knew that he would undermine the Constitution and circumvent the rule of law. Talk about flip flopping....he out and out "lied"....I certainly did know he was capable of all the crimes and treasonable offenses he's committed....if I did, I would have gone to Washington and heckled him to high heaven while he took the oath of office, and made a damn fool of myself....knowing I was doing the country a great service.

Have you ever really given some intelligent thought to his lifelong associations and how they have influenced his life and ideology?? Take a closer look at the Rezkos, Wrights, and Ayers in his life. And with all this "anti-American" rhetoric that his buddies speak, what do you think will happen to American values and the Constitution once he is elected (if that day comes)? Obama is a Marxist liberal that will take America down the wrong path.

Originally Posted by aaronssongs