Whaaaat? You have got to be kidding. You're going to try to justify America's most grievous sin of slavery, by claiming that others did it, and that makes it somehow less grievous?
There was slavery in Ancient Egypt...Ancient Rome....all throughout history.
Does that mean that it was a "good thing"?
Slavery isn't America's only sin....imperialism, assassinations, unjust wars, exploitation...the list is long....but if we're going to pretend the pink elephant in the room doesn't exist, has never existed, and is actually a cute pink bunny rabbit...then I guess I'm talking to a fool.

And leave it up to the "real crazies" to try to convince folks that slavery wasn't that bad.
How would they know? A "firsthand account", is out of the question. Lack of bias and spin is another consideration. Again, people can't even own up to the truth...it was bad...there is no saving grace.
But some would rather chew off their own arm than to admit complicity, or heaven forbid, "remorse".
Not surprising...the pathology "runs deep".

Last I checked, no one alive in the US today ever owned slaves, was complicit in the slave trade, or ever was a slave. You admit this by your own words:

Unless you're a medium, you have no clue except historical accounts. But heaven forbid you let go of a sin that was never committed against you personally.

Don't let facts get in the way of a good victim fit.

That's the aspect I go by...

Don't you DARE pretend you're a victim of something I'm supposedly guilty of even though I wasn't around to do it...

That's typical Black Liberation Theology...that the "white man" has original sin because of their ancestors...Even though a majority (like me) didn't even have relatives in this country during slavery...

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Hell, my family owned slaves waaaay back. But they were other Romanians. In Romania.

if one were to go by white people owning white slaves and black people owning black slaves, this victimhood status would go away...

But that wouldn't be politically correct...

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Oh, but now it's ok for "you" to play the victim, right? You (and others) want to pretend that slavery didn't exist, and there were no subsequent after effects.
The template that exists now...with blacks being treated as mere annoyances and second class citizens, and subject to substandard education, due to lack of funds, lack of qualified and exemplary teachers, failing infrastructure, lack of resources, poor paying jobs, resulting in despair, crime (due to many factors, some controllable and some not), which, by the way, is directly or indirectly related to the after effects of slavery, is one that is propagated by those whites who love the way things are...and have no vested interests in any community outside of their own.
My God.....look at Obama...atypical, well-educated, upward, mobile, and "connected"...and look at the hard time he is having, dealing with the forces and the powers that be....much less for the typical black man or woman in these United States.
CNN is running a special in about 2 weeks , "Black in America"....I encourage this forum to watch it...and to rethink everything you thought about "blacks", and to approach this very topic, again. If you've been misinformed all your life, and thinking all this time that you were knowledgeable, when, clearly, you are 'not".....that would be the epitome of ignorance and prejudice.
White privilege is so germane to society, you don't even recognize its' existence. When you have everything laid out for you, with no obstacles based on your race, there should be no excuse for you not excelling....however, I suspect that many, here, aren't the tycoons that they hoped that they would be. And whose fault would that be? Black people? Get the log out your eye, and you might be able to help me with my toothpick.

No. But why can't you own up to what actually took place, instead of pointing fingers...what is up with that?
If I f' up...I admit that I f'd up. Nobody else's fault, but my own.
You people want to talk about the weather, American Idol, Obama's religion, the liberals leaning toward communism, Jesse Jackson, Ellen DeGeneres and Portia di Rossi getting married....everything but the topic at hand.
You all can't deal with it....wusses. Real men own up to what they do. Or what has been done. No, like schoolgirls caught smoking in the bathroom, you all point fingers...she did it, no he did it...I was just taking a pee....lies. all lies.
And for what? To make yourselves look good. Impossible. The truth will set you free. You all would say black people did it to themselves.
Yeah, we rowed ourselves over here, worked the cotton and the sugar cane fields for 12-20 hours a day, in the hot sun, for no pay, was beaten, raped, killed, separated, and denied most human rights....and we did it to ourselves.
Y'all are something else....what, I don't know....but something else. LOL, sadly.

I said no such thing...

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You might have a point if we werent on the verge of having a black man as president.

I am going to find it funny if he does get elected. All this black victim routine (which is actually pretty rare among most sane people) is going to go the way of the dodo because people are going to point to him and say..."see, its not a race thing. It's an individual issue."

While I agree with what you've said, I still can't fathom people believing that a social issue is worth the destruction of national security and self defense...

I want the BEST person to be president...If the next 5 are black, women, gay, or otherwise, I'm all for it...as long as they are the BEST...

And I will NEVER sacrifice the best person so we can sit here and pat ourselves on the back thinking we helped the cause of diversity for the sake of the country...

In fact, I'll go as far as saying that if Obama gets elected and becomes a miserable failure (which he will since he wants to be the second coming of Jimmy Carter), that will set back race relations even FURTHER because when a REAL black person is nominated, the public will turn their backs on them because Obama set a precedent...

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