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I hate racism, aaronssongs, but just like Eli Saslow in his article about Findlay, you are wrongly judging me.

False and pretentious claims of racism will not do one thing to solve the real racism that does exist. It will only continue the devil's ageless agenda to blur the truth, so that we are no longer capable of differentiating right from wrong, truth from lies, and real instances of racism from false claims of it.

There are any number of reasons that contribute to one's strength of convictions, and some of them are right and some wrong. Eli Saslow knows as much about the people of Findlay as he does about what reasons they have for the strength of their convictions. But he writes very definitively as if he knows.

People have every right, and even a duty to determine everything they can about a Presidential candidate so as to make a wise and educated choice at the voting booth. They have every right and duty to sift through everything they are reading and seeing and hearing about the people who are asking for our votes.

Welcome to the world.

There is barely a discussion if any at all about the color of Obama's skin unless Obama himself....or people like Eli Saslow and you bring it up. Why is that?


You write as though Eli Saslow's account was "pure fiction", and not a representation of a true slice of the community of Findlay. Were not "real people" interviewed? Did they not express their unbiased opinions?
I think Findlay (based on the piece) is quite representative of the country, at large, and probably deserves the title of "Flag City, USA".
You, very well, may "hate racism", but you cannot suggest that it does not exist, and most certainly, within the confines of "Findlay".
And that is precisely "the problem". Denial. Denial of reality. Racism exists, yet people go on pretending like it doesn't, and quickly, change the topic.
America belongs in the analyst's chair...and needs to get in touch with itself.


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"Blur the truth"?????....America and "Findlay" wouldn't know the truth if it bit down it on their proverbial asses. How can you address "false claims of racism", when you can't even acknowledge "factual claims of racism", without thinking that it's exaggeration? The patient is ill, and don't know it.

It would be problematic for Saslow to interview every person in Findlay, to get their views...he did a sampling of the populace...likewise, all Americans aren't so cynical as to believe that Obama is the boogie man..in fact, a large portion of the "white voting populace" is supporting him, including some notable characters on the American Stage. Almost "mainstream", but not quite, yet.

of course, people have the right to fully investigate any candidate for office....the byword is "fairly", which has not been the case.
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Name one civilization in the history of the world that did not have a caste system or slavery or some form of oppressing a certain group of people.

It was the modern Western world, namely Great Britain and the United States of America, that fought to end such things.

Learn about our Founding Fathers. Learn from their own writings the inner struggles they went through as they birthed this nation. Learn how the fight against slavery began long before the civil war. Learn about John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Benjamin Rush, John Quincy Adams, and so many others and how they felt about slavery. Learn about William Wilberforce.

The Western World, namely Great Britain and the United States of America deserves credit that it will never get in a world today that distorts the truth for its own political purpose. We stand for freedom.

Deny that all you want.

I never stated that racism does not exist. Matter of fact, I admitted as much. I also stated that there is a "false" rasicm that exists, and that it is doing nothing to help the cause of recognizing the real racism that exists, and therefore is making it impossible to solve the real problem of racism.

The only thing Saslow accomplished in his interviews in Findlay was to point out that there are a lot of conflicting messages being said about Obama, and that it is making it difficult to determine what is true and what isn't. Again I'll say, "welcome to the world we live in".

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Cheer up, and don't let this stuff get you down! Truth will win out in the end!
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Name one civilization in the history of the world that did not have a caste system or slavery or some form of oppressing a certain group of people.

It was the modern Western world, namely Great Britain and the United States of America, that fought to end such things.

Learn about our Founding Fathers. Learn from their own writings the inner struggles they went through as they birthed this nation. Learn how the fight against slavery began long before the civil war. Learn about John Adams, Thomas Jefferson, George Washington, Benjamin Rush, John Quincy Adams, and so many others and how they felt about slavery. Learn about William Wilberforce.

The Western World, namely Great Britain and the United States of America deserves credit that it will never get in a world today that distorts the truth for its own political purpose. We stand for freedom.

Deny that all you want.

I never stated that racism does not exist. Matter of fact, I admitted as much. I also stated that there is a "false" rasicm that exists, and that it is doing nothing to help the cause of recognizing the real racism that exists, and therefore is making it impossible to solve the real problem of racism.

The only thing Saslow accomplished in his interviews in Findlay was to point out that there are a lot of conflicting messages being said about Obama, and that it is making it difficult to determine what is true and what isn't. Again I'll say, "welcome to the world we live in".



Cheer up, and don't let this stuff get you down! Truth will win out in the end!
You said one thing that made me want to vomit.....
"America stands for freedom"???????????
Freedom for women to choose what they can do with their own bodies?
Freedom from racism, classism, and every other kind of "ism"????
Freedom to vote your conscience, and to have that vote count (Florida, Ohio)?????
Freedom which embraces the Constitution of the United States, and preserves the Bill of Rights (habeas corpus, illegal wiretapping)

Sorry....the truth ain't always pretty...but know what? It's always "the truth".
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You said one thing that made me want to vomit.....
"America stands for freedom"???????????
Freedom for women to choose what they can do with their own bodies?
Freedom from racism, classism, and every other kind of "ism"????
Freedom to vote your conscience, and to have that vote count (Florida, Ohio)?????
Freedom which embraces the Constitution of the United States, and preserves the Bill of Rights (habeas corpus, illegal wiretapping)

Sorry....the truth ain't always pretty...but know what? It's always "the truth".
Get a bucket....YES, America stands for freedom!
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Suicide is illegal.

Racism, classism, and every other kind of "ism" are free to exist until they result in behavior that is unlawful and criminal.

Bush won the election in 2000, and the eligible votes counted.

The Supreme Court got it wrong.
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And your post was "prattle".
I got your "uneducated". Typical snobbery.
once again proving your ignorance on the subject of the article...
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You write as though Eli Saslow's account was "pure fiction", and not a representation of a true slice of the community of Findlay. Were not "real people" interviewed? Did they not express their unbiased opinions?
I think Findlay (based on the piece) is quite representative of the country, at large, and probably deserves the title of "Flag City, USA".
You, very well, may "hate racism", but you cannot suggest that it does not exist, and most certainly, within the confines of "Findlay".
And that is precisely "the problem". Denial. Denial of reality. Racism exists, yet people go on pretending like it doesn't, and quickly, change the topic.
America belongs in the analyst's chair...and needs to get in touch with itself.




"Blur the truth"?????....America and "Findlay" wouldn't know the truth if it bit down it on their proverbial asses. How can you address "false claims of racism", when you can't even acknowledge "factual claims of racism", without thinking that it's exaggeration? The patient is ill, and don't know it.

It would be problematic for Saslow to interview every person in Findlay, to get their views...he did a sampling of the populace...likewise, all Americans aren't so cynical as to believe that Obama is the boogie man..in fact, a large portion of the "white voting populace" is supporting him, including some notable characters on the American Stage. Almost "mainstream", but not quite, yet.

of course, people have the right to fully investigate any candidate for office....the byword is "fairly", which has not been the case.
I could cut a half inch square out of a piece of fabric that was red & tell everyone the the entire piece of fabric it came from was red even though the entire piece was really red, white & blue striped. While it's still a sample it's not representative of the entire fabric.

Interviewing a couple of people of the exact same demographic (elderly folks who live on the same block) does not represent any community. Why didn't Saslow take a walk down main street in front of the university & interview the several foreign college students we have residing in Findlay? Why didn't he walk a little further down & sit in at Wilson's & interview the regulars there; some of which are the professionals working across the street at Marathon? Maybe 20 or 30 people from different parts of town or different neighborhoods? You know why & so do I. You just don't want to admit that Saslow came here with a preconceived idea about the area & an agenda & he found what fit in that little box of his.
Why would Saslow make a claim about conversations in certain locations when it's obvious that he never stepped foot in those areas? That's not reporting. That's lying. It's fiction. And, the fact that you claim that the article is represntative of Findlay when you've obviously never been here makes you a liar as well.
By the way, GWBs qualifications, positions, & associations were questioned. Just as his past problems with drugs & alcohol & his sorry record as a businessman were. I didn't vote for him in 2000. I, instead, voted for Harry Browne.
Your suggestion that Rice or Powell were listed as the only viable options in the comments shows more ignorance on your part as well as a willingness to make an assumption that you have to stretch the truth to connect the faintest of dots. Oh, & for some reason Alan Keyes never seems to make it in the conversation. Why not?
There are many options better & more viable than Barack Obama based solely on ideas; not race. Many of us here voted for Ken Blackwell for governor because of his conservative views; not his race. Oh yeah, like Rice & Powell the left considers him an Uncle Tom. Now that's racism at it's worst. And, that certainly didn't come from the conservatives residing in Findlay, Ohio.
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Get a bucket....YES, America stands for freedom!
If and when it lives up to its' ideals....when is the last time that happened?
It sure hasn't happened, since Bush/Cheney took office.
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Suicide is illegal.
I was talking about a woman's right to choose abortion

Racism, classism, and every other kind of "ism" are free to exist until they result in behavior that is unlawful and criminal.
What? Sez who, you?
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I could cut a half inch square out of a piece of fabric that was red & tell everyone the the entire piece of fabric it came from was red even though the entire piece was really red, white & blue striped. While it's still a sample it's not representative of the entire fabric.

Interviewing a couple of people of the exact same demographic (elderly folks who live on the same block) does not represent any community. Why didn't Saslow take a walk down main street in front of the university & interview the several foreign college students we have residing in Findlay? Why didn't he walk a little further down & sit in at Wilson's & interview the regulars there; some of which are the professionals working across the street at Marathon? Maybe 20 or 30 people from different parts of town or different neighborhoods? You know why & so do I. You just don't want to admit that Saslow came here with a preconceived idea about the area & an agenda & he found what fit in that little box of his.
Why would Saslow make a claim about conversations in certain locations when it's obvious that he never stepped foot in those areas? That's not reporting. That's lying. It's fiction. And, the fact that you claim that the article is represntative of Findlay when you've obviously never been here makes you a liar as well.
By the way, GWBs qualifications, positions, & associations were questioned. Just as his past problems with drugs & alcohol & his sorry record as a businessman were. I didn't vote for him in 2000. I, instead, voted for Harry Browne.
Your suggestion that Rice or Powell were listed as the only viable options in the comments shows more ignorance on your part as well as a willingness to make an assumption that you have to stretch the truth to connect the faintest of dots. Oh, & for some reason Alan Keyes never seems to make it in the conversation. Why not?
There are many options better & more viable than Barack Obama based solely on ideas; not race. Many of us here voted for Ken Blackwell for governor because of his conservative views; not his race. Oh yeah, like Rice & Powell the left considers him an Uncle Tom. Now that's racism at it's worst. And, that certainly didn't come from the conservatives residing in Findlay, Ohio.
I couldn't even read your post without wading, knee-deep, in virtual BS...the most BS, I've recently encountered. You don't even make "any" sense at all.
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