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Old 04-04-2014, 11:23 AM
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"The Inquisitor announced to the villagers that the witch had freely confessed under torment, thus her guilt was beyond question. He then commanded that the fire be lit.
That's right comrade, in our new open minded, free, fundamentally transformed America if you want to keep your job you have to conform to the party line. Are you now or have you ever been an enemy of the gay special interest agenda? List your contributions to the cause and don't lie because your job depends on the right answers.

Did you really expect gay special interest groups would not engage in political persecution in employment after their joyous acceptance of judicial tyranny in the Proposition 8 case? Please.
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Oh come now! Without false drama, there'd be no gay rights movement to discuss at all, now would there?
The inescapable conclusion I have come to time and time again is that if people like you were subjected to the historic discrimination gays had to endure, you would have curled up into a ball and cried yourself to sleep.

Whining about "war on Christmas" and trying to champion a CEO who quit because others exercised free speech...
There's no comparison with that and the things gays have fought and overcome.


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That's right comrade, in our new open minded, free, fundamentally transformed America if you want to keep your job you have to conform to the party line.
He chose to quit.
If he had been fired with the reason stated as his political donations, THEN you can make such a complaint.

He chose to quit
What is there about that you guys don't grasp?
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Old 04-04-2014, 11:43 AM
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The inescapable conclusion I have come to time and time again is that if people like you were subjected to the historic discrimination gays had to endure, you would have curled up into a ball and cried yourself to sleep.

Whining about "war on Christmas" and trying to champion a CEO who quit because others exercised free speech...
There's no comparison with that and the things gays have fought and overcome.
I say with honesty and humility (enjoy it while it lasts,) that you don't know, because I don't say what "people like me" are, nor what we suffer. We accept though, that we have little clain on nor a right to command the approval of others.

Besides dude, I've been on fire , I'm probably not a good person to get into a suffering contest with just for that.
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The inescapable conclusion I have come to time and time again is that if people like you were subjected to the historic discrimination gays had to endure, you would have curled up into a ball and cried yourself to sleep.

Whining about "war on Christmas" and trying to champion a CEO who quit because others exercised free speech...
There's no comparison with that and the things gays have fought and overcome.



He chose to quit.
If he had been fired with the reason stated as his political donations, THEN you can make such a complaint.

He chose to quit
What is there about that you guys don't grasp?
He was pressured into quitting for the "crime" of donating to the campaign for Proposition 8. We both know that is the case but you insist on the absurd pretense that he quit so that absolves the gay inquisition of blame.

Proposition 8 was thrown out by the gay judge substituting his personal judgement for the voters. The OA abandoned defense of DOMA to curry favor with gay special interest groups. The SCOTUS eviscerated the state referendum process by declaring only the state's elected officials can defend referendums in court. Small business owners are being systematically persecuted for refusing to
do business with gay customers despite the ready availability of the same goods and services elsewhere. A CEO being hounded into resigning is a logical progression of the trend. Punishing churches refusing to marry same sex couples is next in our march to "progress."
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He was pressured into quitting for the "crime" of donating to the campaign for Proposition 8. We both know that is the case but you insist on the absurd pretense that he quit so that absolves the gay inquisition of blame.
No.
We do not "know" that to be the case.
Point to the evidence substantiating your claim.

What we have seen is some people have complained about him being CEO.
If he's such a wuss that he can't weather some criticism, maybe it's best that he be out of the position.

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Proposition 8 was ...
I'm ignoring your non-topical rant.

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Small business owners are being systematically persecuted for refusing to do business with gay customers despite the ready availability of the same goods and services elsewhere.
And I find it interesting that now the anti-gay right-wing is proceeding to "systematically persecute" Mozilla because the CEO chose to resign.
But of course, you find no hypocrisy in your position, do you...

Like I pointed out earlier (but of course the right has chosen to again ignore their hypocrisy) there have been some pretty vocal opinions that people should vote with their wallets instead of enacting laws that prohibit discrimination.
Well guess what? HERE we have a case where people have decided to "vote with their wallets".
And of course, the right is complaining because they don't like it.

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A CEO being hounded into resigning is a logical progression of the trend.
"hounded"?
He was criticized. Free speech.
If a CEO can't take criticism, should he have the position in the first place?
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Excellent article...
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Symbolic gestures make sense when there are no pragmatic alternatives, like the things Eich was working on. You shot one of the good guys.
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If you care about the open web, please help de-politicize Mozilla Ben Moskowitz Mozilla Is Not Chick-Fil-A
Mozilla, if you don't know it, is a much-respected nonprofit with a business nestled inside it that, among other things, makes Firefox. They elevated Brendan Eich, one of their cofounders, to CEO. Eich was a Prop 8 donor; people objected. Three board members resigned when he was given the job, including two who were former CEOs. (The organization says those board members were planning on leaving, but their departure leaves the Mozilla Corporation board with three whole members.) Employees asked Eich to step down. Eich made a commitment to help Mozilla ensure its place as an ally to the gays. And then Eich resigned, and resigned from the board of the foundation itself, which now has just five members.

And now the gays are being blamed for their pesky "interference" in this important company. And we're getting straightsplained about how we "politicized" Mozilla. Why did we do this terrible thing! Why did we "shoot" one of "the good ones," in the classic language of Dave Winer? Yes, and why did we make those board members go away? How can we want to live in a society where people with despicable views won't defend them long enough to make the situation better, and instead, huff off, quit their jobs and apparently delete their Twitter accounts? One minute Eich was blogging about how he'd show everyone that he could deal with a complicated situation, celebrate diversity and the company, and ensure that everyone could trust in his leadership. Eight days later, his willingness to see that process through had apparently evaporated. Mozilla politicized Mozilla. And the gays didn't make Eich quit. He didn't want to do the actual work. He flounced.
Gays Kill Mozilla CEO

So I guess my question is that with the three board members quitting before the CEO resigned, can I claim that they were victims of "nazis" or "witch burning" or "thought police"?
Can I blame conservatives for them leaving and assume it to be proven fact, like the conservatives are insisting that the CEO leaving was "forced" by liberals / gays / etc?


This thread has been one huge conservative "wahh-wahhh" byatch fest. Proclaiming victimhood and showing extreme hypocrisy when the guy chose to quit because of free speech...
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jesus f*cking christ, do you guys even hear yourselves? Do you even understand what freedom of speech IS?

For one thing, this guy did more than just voice a bigoted opinion - he took ACTION on that opinion and tried to keep in place inequality. But just for the sake of argument, let's just pretend that all he did was "use his freedom of speech to voice an opinion".

Well, the rest of us who are not bigoted also used OUR freedom of speech to voice our opinions. You praise the former, but condemn the latter.

Are you under the delusion that freedom of speech means that once you voice your opinion, no one can voice a different one? And if they do, then you are 'persecuted' and should go run and hide and blame all of the mean nazis for not allowing you your total and complete 'freedom of speech' which seems to also mean 'freedom from hearing opposing opinions'?

jesus. He f*cking quit. He was not fired. And even if he HAD been fired, that STILL would not have been a violation of his freedom of speech. Get your heads out of your asses.
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Oh come now! Without false drama, there'd be no gay rights movement to discuss at all, now would there?
I prefer "heterophobe rights movement".

Is it okie-dokie if I call all homosexuals and homosexual supporters "heterophobes" every time I see somebody post the word "homophobe" in any thread?
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I prefer "heterophobe rights movement".

Is it okie-dokie if I call all homosexuals and homosexual supporters "heterophobes" every time I see somebody post the word "homophobe" in any thread?
Is there any movement to ban heterosexual marriage?
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I prefer "heterophobe rights movement".

Is it okie-dokie if I call all homosexuals and homosexual supporters "heterophobes" every time I see somebody post the word "homophobe" in any thread?
I think if there is a group of people attempting to ban opposite sex couples from marrying and make heterosexual sex illegal, and prevent heterosexuals from being teachers, troop leaders, religious leaders, serving in the military, or adopting, then yes...it would be safe to call them heterophobes. However, I know of no such group of people.
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