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In another step toward state nullification, Utah is now threatening to shut down any federal attempts at surveilance of anyone unless that surveilance is preceded by a search warrant "that particularly desribes the person, place and thing to be searched or seized."

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SALT LAKE CITY, February 12, 2014–Can Utah shut down the new NSA data center by turning off the water? A new bill introduced by state Rep. Marc Roberts seeks to do just that.

The legislation drafted by a transpartisan coalition organized by the Tenth Amendment Center (TAC) and the Bill of Rights Defense Committee (BORDC) called OffNow Coalition. The Utah Fourth Amendment Protection Act would expressly prohibit state material support, participation, and assistance to any federal agency that collects electronic date or metadata without a search warrant "that particularly desribes the person, place and thing to be searched or seized."

"Without question, the mass surveillance and data collection by the Utah Data Center is a delicate and important matter," Roberts said. "But for me, the language of the Fourth Amendment is clear. It simply protects us against unreasonable and unwarranted searches or seizures of our persons, private residencies and property, documents and information and personal and private belongings. This legislation preserves those rights to the people."

This puts contracts that provide the 1.7 million gallons of water a day necessary to cool the NSA computers at its Bluffdale facility in the crosshairs.
Here is a link to the entire article: BREAKING: Utah legislators move to kill NSA data center | Ben Swann Truth In Media
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This as it should be. We need to stop the feds from spying on it's own citizens.
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In another step toward state nullification, Utah is now threatening to shut down any federal attempts at surveilance of anyone unless that surveilance is preceded by a search warrant "that particularly desribes the person, place and thing to be searched or seized."

Here is a little from an article on the subject:

Here is a link to the entire article: BREAKING: Utah legislators move to kill NSA data center | Ben Swann Truth In Media
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In another step toward state nullification, Utah is now threatening to shut down any federal attempts at surveilance of anyone unless that surveilance is preceded by a search warrant "that particularly desribes the person, place and thing to be searched or seized."

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Here is a link to the entire article: BREAKING: Utah legislators move to kill NSA data center | Ben Swann Truth In Media
Good for Utahans.
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Yep those Mormons like Mitt Romney have some good ideas!
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I s somebody spying on Utots. Or whatever you call them.
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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The last part is where the NSA is blatantly illegal...

This administration constantly tries to defend their actions by saying "We collect the data, but we don't look at it."...

That's seizing...and it's being done wholesale without a warrant...

If the defense of "We're trying to catch terrorists" held water, then do what's supposed to be done...Propose an amendment change, have it pass Congress with the required votes, and have it ratified by the required number of states...

THEN it becomes legal...Don't just sit there and bypass the process...
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What do you think they are doing?
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The last part is where the NSA is blatantly illegal...

This administration constantly tries to defend their actions by saying "We collect the data, but we don't look at it."...

That's seizing...and it's being done wholesale without a warrant...

If the defense of "We're trying to catch terrorists" held water, then do what's supposed to be done...Propose an amendment change, have it pass Congress with the required votes, and have it ratified by the required number of states...

THEN it becomes legal...Don't just sit there and bypass the process...
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What do you think they are doing?
NOT proposing a constitutional amendment, so far as I can see...
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The last part is where the NSA is blatantly illegal...

This administration constantly tries to defend their actions by saying "We collect the data, but we don't look at it."...

That's seizing...and it's being done wholesale without a warrant...

If the defense of "We're trying to catch terrorists" held water, then do what's supposed to be done...Propose an amendment change, have it pass Congress with the required votes, and have it ratified by the required number of states...

THEN it becomes legal...Don't just sit there and bypass the process...
I rather think that in this matter and others, the point of the exercise, or a point of the exercise is the establishment of a body of precedents in which the Constitution may be ignored in favor a current political fashion. In this manner, the public and the state apparatus are conditioned to obey authority figures instead of inconvenient law.
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