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Old 05-19-2008, 10:10 AM
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I was wondering if anyone has any info. I joking about dropping ecstasy on the Taliban. But it made me wonder. Why wouldn't it be possible these days to to drop a drug bomb that would make the enemy incapable of response. Does anyone know if this is even being considered?
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Don't know about a drug bomb, but I've heard of this before...

Files unearthed on Pentagon "gay bomb"

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Pentagon officials confirmed Friday that they had considered developing a "gay bomb."

Oddly enough, the U.S. military in 1994 sought to create a hormone bomb that might turn enemy soldiers into rampant homosexuals, leading to an orgiastic gang bang.

Edward Hammond of the Sunshine Project in Berkeley, Calif., used the federal Freedom of Information Act to obtain a copy of the proposal from the Air Force's Wright Laboratory in Dayton, Ohio.

As part of a military effort to create nonlethal weapons, the proposal suggested, "One distasteful but completely nonlethal example would be strong aphrodisiacs, especially if the chemical also caused homosexual behavior."

The documents indicate the Air Force lab asked for $7.5 million to develop such a chemical weapon.

"The Ohio Air Force lab proposed that a bomb be developed that contained a chemical that would cause enemy soldiers to become gay, and to have their units break down because all their soldiers became irresistibly attractive to one another," Hammond said after reviewing the documents.

"The notion was that a chemical that would probably be pleasant in the human body in low quantities could be identified, and by virtue of either breathing or having their skin exposed to this chemical, the notion was that soldiers would become gay," Hammond said.
I think you'd get the same effect if you dropped Streisand tickets...

But that would cost MUCH more than $7.5 million...That's like 4 tickets...
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Don't know about a drug bomb, but I've heard of this before...

Files unearthed on Pentagon "gay bomb"

I think you'd get the same effect if you dropped Streisand tickets...

But that would cost MUCH more than $7.5 million...That's like 4 tickets...
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Mikeyy I found this and a few other reports. For the complete story you have to visit the site

The use of drugs as weapons: BMA - The use of drugs as weapons - the concerns and responsibilities of healthcare professionals, May 2007

The concerns and responsibilities of healthcare professionals
May 2007

This report has been written because of the widespread interest expressed by governments in the use of drugs as weapons. The ending of the Moscow theatre siege with, purportedly, a fentanyl derivative has brought both reality and urgency to the subject and has raised questions about ‘tactical pharmacology’ of so-called ‘non-lethal’ weapons and their relationship with different aspects of international law. These questions in turn raise a number of difficult ethical considerations for healthcare professionals.

The use of a drug as a method of warfare would constitute a violation of the 1925 Geneva Protocol and the 1993 Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC). Ambiguity in the text of the CWC leaves open the possibility of the use of a drug as a weapon for the purposes of ‘law enforcement including domestic riot control’. There is also a question as to whether some drugs fall within the definition of a biological weapon as defined in the 1972 Biological and Toxin Weapons Convention (BTWC). It is vital that the international community makes every effort to ensure that these weapons conventions remain intact. The development and deployment of drugs as weapons for whatever reason risks undermining the norms these conventions represent.

The primary conclusion of this report is that the use of drugs as weapons is simply not feasible without generating a significant mortality among the target population. Whether this is a consideration of either pharmacology, toxicology or both will depend on the reader’s point of view.
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Again much more at the site.

When drugs become weapons | Technology | The Guardian

When drugs become weaponsChemical weapons are banned - or are they? Steve Wright reports on how an exemption to the convention raises questions about their use in law enforcement
Steve Wright The Guardian, Thursday May 24 2007 Article historyAbout this articleClose This article appeared in the Guardian on Thursday May 24 2007 on p1 of the Technology news & features section. It was last updated at 23:46 on May 23 2007. The Moscow theatre siege of October 2002 was fated to end badly. A group of militants demanding Russia's withdrawal from Chechnya invaded the theatre, taking more than 850 hostages. They threatened to blow everyone up; negotiation brought little benefit, apart from the release of some children. Abruptly, as the siege was entering its third day, the Russian secret service pumped a mysterious gas into the theatre, intending to knock out the militants.

It worked - too well. Though 750 hostages were saved, more than 100 died and hundreds more had serious after-effects including deafness and amnesia. The "non-lethal" weapon had proved lethal, with a death toll of 13%. By contrast, with battlefield weapons the overall expected death rate is just 1 in 16, or 6.25%.

Deaths and disabilities

Some of the deaths and disabilities arose because doctors on hand outside to help the hostages as they were brought out did not know precisely what drug had been used. Although the best reckoning now is that it was some form of fentanyl - used widely as a general anaesthetic - only the Russian authorities know. The details have never been published.

The use of that chemical weapon in peacetime could be justified by Russia, which is a signatory to the Chemical Weapons Convention, as being for "domestic law enforcement" - an allowed exemption.
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