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Old 02-02-2013, 08:16 PM
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It’s enough to make even the most ardent Obama cynic scratch his head in confusion.

Amidst all the cries of Barack Obama being the most prolific big government spender the nation has ever suffered, Marketwatch is reporting that our president has actually been tighter with a buck than any United States president since Dwight D. Eisenhower.

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So, how have the Republicans managed to persuade Americans to buy into the whole “Obama as big spender” narrative?

It might have something to do with the first year of the Obama presidency where the federal budget increased a whopping 17.9% —going from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. I’ll bet you think that this is the result of the Obama sponsored stimulus plan that is so frequently vilified by the conservatives…but you would be wrong.

The first year of any incoming president term is saddled—for better or for worse—with the budget set by the president whom immediately precedes the new occupant of the White House. Indeed, not only was the 2009 budget the property of George W. Bush—and passed by the 2008 Congress—it was in effect four months before Barack Obama took the oath of office.

Accordingly, the first budget that can be blamed on our current president began in 2010 with the budgets running through and including including fiscal year 2013 standing as charges on the Obama account, even if a President Willard M. Romney takes over the office on January 20, 2013.

So, how do the actual Obama annual budgets look?
Courtesy of Marketwatch-
•In fiscal 2010 (the first Obama budget) spending fell 1.8% to $3.46 trillion.
• In fiscal 2011, spending rose 4.3% to $3.60 trillion.
•In fiscal 2012, spending is set to rise 0.7% to $3.63 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office’s estimate of the budget that was agreed to last August.
•Finally in fiscal 2013 — the final budget of Obama’s term — spending is scheduled to fall 1.3% to $3.58 trillion. Read the CBO’s latest budget outlook.

No doubt, many will wish to give the credit to the efforts of the GOP controlled House of Representatives. That’s fine if that’s what works for you.

However, you don’t get to have it both ways. Credit whom you will, but if you are truly interested in a fair analysis of the Obama years to date—at least when it comes to spending—you’re going to have to acknowledge that under the Obama watch, even President Reagan would have to give our current president a thumbs up when it comes to his record for stretching a dollar.

Of course, the Heritage Foundation is having none of it, attempting to counter the actual numbers by pretending that the spending initiated by the Bush Administration is the fault of Obama. As I understand the argument Heritage is putting forth —and I have provided the link to the Heritage rebuttal so you can decide for yourself—Marketwatch, in using the baseline that Obama inherited, is making it too easy on the President.

But then, with the Heritage Foundation being the creator of the individual mandate concept in healthcare only to rebut the same when it was no longer politically convenient, I’m not quite sure why anyone believes much of anything they have to say any longer. With their history of reversing course for convenience, I can’t help but wonder, should they find themselves reviewing the spending record of a President Romney four years from today, whether they might be tempted to use the Obama numbers as the baseline for such a new Administration.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickunga...-barack-obama/
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I heard /read that somewhere.
You gave the answer away tho so none of the usual suspects will respond.
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They won't buy it and will come up with the numbers are rigged. No point in even bothering to point to facts they have their own supplied by Fox, Rush and others from their side. I always loved the kool aid drinker charges when they seem to buy the spin more than I ever did from their side. At least I will blame Obama for he does wrong but they won't accept responsibility for what their side does wrong, which lately has been a lot.
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Okay I WILL respond. I went to Forbes and just got an Allstate ad. Check this out: No, Obama Is Not “the Smallest Government Spender Since Eisenhower”
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I don't know what Topcat says but I will bet a dollar to a donut they went to find a link from some right winger that disputes the story..
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I don't know what Topcat says but I will bet a dollar to a donut they went to find a link from some right winger that disputes the story..
As with all statics you can spin them to prove what ever point you are trying to make. Now fact is the debt has gone up since Obama has been in office however what has he done to add to that debt in relations to others. It also comes down to spending to GDP and again what direct things did a given president as for in spending that he got. So like I stated in my other post you are basically pissing in the wind trying to change a right wing mind at all so why bother, I gave up long ago personally as they have a right to think what they like.
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Mikkey many years ago my father kept fuel consumption statistics for the military and he told me that you can rig things to look anyway you want if you know how. So I confess I don't know who is to "blame" I just know that the USA is in debt. And I am glad that I probably won't live to see it sink completly. I just am sorry for the ones who will be around when the sh*t hits the fan.
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No. I live in the Real World and have little time for such nonsense.
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Mikkey many years ago my father kept fuel consumption statistics for the military and he told me that you can rig things to look anyway you want if you know how. So I confess I don't know who is to "blame" I just know that the USA is in debt. And I am glad that I probably won't live to see it sink completly. I just am sorry for the ones who will be around when the sh*t hits the fan.
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Well one thing is sure we know who is not responsible for the depression/recession. Obama.
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As with all statics you can spin them to prove what ever point you are trying to make. Now fact is the debt has gone up since Obama has been in office however what has he done to add to that debt in relations to others. It also comes down to spending to GDP and again what direct things did a given president as for in spending that he got. So like I stated in my other post you are basically pissing in the wind trying to change a right wing mind at all so why bother, I gave up long ago personally as they have a right to think what they like.
Yeah, You are right. Thing that bothers me is the right repeats BS until people who don't look too closely buy it eventually.
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