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Fox had Michael Barone, Dick Morris and Karl Rove as their analysts. They all had Romney winning big. Before the election they were sure that there was this huge groundswell of support that would roll over Obama. They are all stunned this morning and grasping for answers. Most of which keep them from any real responasbility of the outcome.

They kept repeating falsehoods like Obama spending 5-6 trillion dollars. They tried to tie the sore economy to him and forget they ever heard of BUSH. As his appearance at the convention showed. Poll after poll showed people liked Obama and didn't blame him for the economy but the right felt they had to try to tie it around his neck. They should have paid attention to the fact that you can't win telling someone they should dislike someone they have already told you they like.


On the other hand MSNBC had Nate Silver who hit the numbers on the head. Funny, Nate says he is not political. Don't think you can say the same for Dick, Michael, and Karl.

The right lives more and more in a bubble. They have their own news service that preaches what they want to hear. They have sepearated themselves into their own community. Many of them get their views from nuts like Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity and are so strident in their dogma that you can't even talk in a civil way with many of them. They shed any responsability for any of the countries ills as though they are born again and free of sin. Just as they try to attach all the debt to Obama even though they honestly know he didn't propose the spending we are now dealing with. No way to see that inside the bubble though. All issues start and end with the left and Obama.

I would hope this smack down would show the right that they are lost. They need to get out of the hating business and the my way or the highway attitude and start making more "Conservative" choices and less partisan republican choices. They need to stay focused on helping the government run more efficiently instead of trashing it. People have shown what they want government involved in. The right should be about finding the most conservative ways of accomplishing what people want instead of telling them what they want. They might start gaining some blacks and latinos that way. It's time for the right to wake up and be a true conservative party and get out of social issues. It's for sure time to knock off the BS rhetoric about socialism and communism. Fact is this country is a hybrid. We are not all one thing. We have and support some socialism and we also support our full freedoms on the other hand. We should stop throwing the tags around that do nothing and face the fact that that is thge country we want to be collectively. So why not just make it work better?


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Fox had Michael Barone, Dick Morris and Karl Rove as their analysts. They all had Romney winning big. Before the election they were sure that there was this huge groundswell of support that would roll over Obama. They are all stunned this morning and grasping for answers. Most of which keep them from any real responasbility of the outcome.

They kept repeating falsehoods like Obama spending 5-6 trillion dollars. They tried to tie the sore economy to him and forget they ever heard of BUSH. As his appearance at the convention showed. Poll after poll showed people liked Obama and didn't blame him for the economy but the right felt they had to try to tie it around his neck. They should have paid attention to the fact that you can't win telling someone they should dislike someone they have already told you they like.


On the other hand MSNBC had Nate Silver who hit the numbers on the head. Funny, Nate says he is not political. Don't think you can say the same for Dick, Michael, and Karl.

The right lives more and more in a bubble. They have their own news service that preaches what they want to hear. They have sepearated themselves into their own community. Many of them get their views from nuts like Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity and are so strident in their dogma that you can't even talk in a civil way with many of them. They shed any responsability for any of the countries ills as though they are born again and free of sin. Just as they try to attach all the debt to Obama even though they honestly know he didn't propose the spending we are now dealing with. No way to see that inside the bubble though. All issues start and end with the left and Obama.

I would hope this smack down would show the right that they are lost. They need to get out of the hating business and the my way or the highway attitude and start making more "Conservative" choices and less partisan republican choices. They need to stay focused on helping the government run more efficiently instead of trashing it. People have shown what they want government involved in. The right should be about finding the most conservative ways of accomplishing what people want instead of telling them what they want. They might start gaining some blacks and latinos that way. It's time for the right to wake up and be a true conservative party and get out of social issues. It's for sure time to knock off the BS rhetoric about socialism and communism. Fact is this country is a hybrid. We are not all one thing. We have and support some socialism and we also support our full freedoms on the other hand. We should stop throwing the tags around that do nothing and face the fact that that is thge country we want to be collectively. So why not just make it work better?


OK rant over.
You voted for socialism. You voted for big government, nanny state with less freedom for the individual. Lying to yourself isn't going to change history. Accept responsibility for your actions.
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You voted for socialism. You voted for big government, nanny state with less freedom for the individual. Lying to yourself isn't going to change history. Accept responsibility for your actions.
Lying to yourself isn't something I need to do. You deny the facts that our people want some government protections. Social Security, EPA, Banking oversight. Now you can say this is socialism and so be it. But Americans want it so the effort should be put into making these things run more efficiently rather than always fighting over whether it should be done.
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Lying to yourself isn't something I need to do. You deny the facts that our people want some government protections. Social Security, EPA, Banking oversight. Now you can say this is socialism and so be it. But Americans want it so the effort should be put into making these things run more efficiently rather than always fighting over whether it should be done.
SS and Medicare are supported by payments you make into the programs. Thus they are not true socialism. They are more like insurance. Socialism is making sure everyone makes the same regardless of work responsibilities. Anyone doing better is penalized by having their overage taken away and split among the others. The old style unions are very socialistic in nature.
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You voted for socialism. You voted for big government, nanny state with less freedom for the individual. Lying to yourself isn't going to change history. Accept responsibility for your actions.
He didn't vote for Romney. And yea, a lot of those ideas and his record peddling were that of less induvidual freedom, big government, big spending, bigger deficits, and slower job growth. Everything you claim to abhor was a part of Romney'a history and agenda. The "He's not Obama, O is socialism!!!" gruel is thin, tasteless, almost devoid in calories, and only got you so far in the election.
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SS and Medicare are supported by payments you make into the programs. Thus they are not true socialism. They are more like insurance. Socialism is making sure everyone makes the same regardless of work responsibilities. Anyone doing better is penalized by having their overage taken away and split among the others. The old style unions are very socialistic in nature.
By this definition, Obama isn't a socialist and hasn't nor plans to implement socialism.

Start praying that the GOP grows out of its willfully ignorant shell, you've got four years.
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Lying to yourself isn't something I need to do. You deny the facts that our people want some government protections. Social Security, EPA, Banking oversight. Now you can say this is socialism and so be it. But Americans want it so the effort should be put into making these things run more efficiently rather than always fighting over whether it should be done.
who controlled both Houses in Bush' last two years?
So,regardless,still blame Bush?
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Fox had Michael Barone, Dick Morris and Karl Rove as their analysts. They all had Romney winning big. Before the election they were sure that there was this huge groundswell of support that would roll over Obama. They are all stunned this morning and grasping for answers. Most of which keep them from any real responasbility of the outcome.

They kept repeating falsehoods like Obama spending 5-6 trillion dollars. They tried to tie the sore economy to him and forget they ever heard of BUSH. As his appearance at the convention showed. Poll after poll showed people liked Obama and didn't blame him for the economy but the right felt they had to try to tie it around his neck. They should have paid attention to the fact that you can't win telling someone they should dislike someone they have already told you they like.


On the other hand MSNBC had Nate Silver who hit the numbers on the head. Funny, Nate says he is not political. Don't think you can say the same for Dick, Michael, and Karl.

The right lives more and more in a bubble. They have their own news service that preaches what they want to hear. They have sepearated themselves into their own community. Many of them get their views from nuts like Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity and are so strident in their dogma that you can't even talk in a civil way with many of them. They shed any responsability for any of the countries ills as though they are born again and free of sin. Just as they try to attach all the debt to Obama even though they honestly know he didn't propose the spending we are now dealing with. No way to see that inside the bubble though. All issues start and end with the left and Obama.

I would hope this smack down would show the right that they are lost. They need to get out of the hating business and the my way or the highway attitude and start making more "Conservative" choices and less partisan republican choices. They need to stay focused on helping the government run more efficiently instead of trashing it. People have shown what they want government involved in. The right should be about finding the most conservative ways of accomplishing what people want instead of telling them what they want. They might start gaining some blacks and latinos that way. It's time for the right to wake up and be a true conservative party and get out of social issues. It's for sure time to knock off the BS rhetoric about socialism and communism. Fact is this country is a hybrid. We are not all one thing. We have and support some socialism and we also support our full freedoms on the other hand. We should stop throwing the tags around that do nothing and face the fact that that is thge country we want to be collectively. So why not just make it work better?


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who controlled both Houses in Bush' last two years?
So,regardless,still blame Bush?
Not very ingenuous!
Nope,not at all!
The truth hurts... It was the spending he and his republican controlled congress put in place way back in 2001 and 2003 that led to the economic melt down.. the Democrats had nothing to do with that. You can blame them for the two stimulus bills that Bush passed before he left office but not much more than that. ...
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