Originally Posted by 40yearfan

So now you are saying Obama isn't a liberal? You can find Romney guilty of being a birther when he makes a joke about birth certificates, but you can't make this connection? Typical liberal denial.

I don't need to defend Romney. He hasn't screwed up the economy of this country, given out government cash to all his supporters and increased the welfare/food stamp rolls by over 30% like Obama has. And you can just keep playing the victim card and whining about how much everyone hates Obama. It's really amusing.

Originally Posted by 40yearfan

Give those Republicans a balance budget and see what happens when it comes to raising taxes. And I do agree with you. EVERYONE should pay their share of taxes. Like I have said on here many times, I have no problem with raising taxes if those moneys are spent on lowering the debt and not on more political boondoggles.

Our government has proven they know how to spend. Now let's see them figure out how to only spend what you have and quit living off of borrowed monies.

Originally Posted by Xcali

All baseless lies and not much more. Like I said before.. You can make the claim but it holds not water until you can back it up with proof. Apologizing for Bush by denying his roll in the destruction of the economy doesn't really work on someone who was there to watch it happen.

Willard has nothing to bring to the table except his Agenda to make himself richer and help out his corporate cronies.. If you really think he cares about anything else you might as well get a shovel and start digging now.

Originally Posted by saltwn

see that is why I can't vote Romney. He wants to pay for a tax cut for one small group by slashing into college grants and senior programs. If he was slashing those to pay down the debt or balance the budget I would have no argument.

Originally Posted by 40yearfan

Could you show me where he said he is going to slash college grants and senior programs? And make it words from him and not some far left web-site.

Originally Posted by 40yearfan

It would help if you stick to the subject and answer my post instead of meandering off into another area. You won't accept the truth about Obama. All the facts are there, but you refuse to recognize them. I didn't even mention Bush and this is the first time he has come into this conversation. That is the only answer you have. It's Bush's fault even after Obama has had 4 years to fix this economy. I guess it's easier to just keep your head in the sand rather than admit that your hero is actually a dud.

Originally Posted by Xcali

You haven't posted any facts.. you've stuck to your right wing buzz phrases which have no facts to back them up.

If you really thought Obama was going to Fix the economy in 4 years then you weren't paying attention.

typical right wing response, Nothing.

Originally Posted by saltwn

sure. he was asked by a young man what he (the young man) could do to get to college and Romney told him to ask his parents for a loan. Another time someone asked what should be done about the high cost of education today and he said 'shop around'.
He is not interested in education. He said the only thing the dept of ed was good for was to keep a check on teachers.
The seniors cuts? If Romney wins that will probably mean the house stays the same ,maybe the senate gets more republican. Whatever they do he will sign and make no mistake seniors are on the chopping block. Whether we like it or not medicare will be drained and we will have to seek private insurance which does not serve us (seniors) well now. I can't imagine what it will be like then.

Originally Posted by Xcali

See what you don't seem to get is that it's not open to debate... It's a fact of reality. Going all the way back the incoming President has never been tagged with the immediate economy left by the out going President. It's not MY opinion, or one that I made up to bash Bush.. it's just a plain fact and that is that...

You Right wingers love to forget the fact that the Obama administration also gets credited with the interest on the debt.. Which if you add that to spending of course it's going to look unbalanced. But take the Actual spending initiatives under each man and let him take credit for his own spending.. Bush beats Obama 10 to 1 hands down.

The Deficit in 2012 is projected at 1.1 trillion.. that is down from the 1.4 trillion Bush left us with. The F2013 deficit is projected at 900 billion.. Looks like a down trend to me.

In fact if the Congress would have gotten their act together and passed the 2010 budget the deficit would have in fact been cut in half this year, just like Obama Promised.

It didn't work out that way because of political morons in Washington putting their own interests ahead of the peoples.. And don't think I'm attacking just Republicans because I'm not. Both Parties are to blame for Congresses failures.

Originally Posted by 40yearfan

You refuse to recognize facts and there have been a bunch of them posted just on this thread. The only talking points being used on here are the Democratic talking points you insist on using. It's useless trying to debate with you because you refuse to accept the truth if it goes against Obama.

In Obama's own words, he said if he couldn't fix this economy in 3 years, he didn't deserve another term. You can spin this any way you want to, but it is exactly what he said and I agree with him. He doesn't deserve another term.