Originally Posted by 1069

You did. The claim is that health care is universally accessible in the US.
If it's accessible to everyone, it must be free, because some people have no money.
If it costs money, then it's not accessible to everyone.
Which is it?

Originally Posted by rivrrat

They're convinced they HAVE to. Which is wrong.


Who the **** said anything about it being free? There's no such thing as free.


Yes. It is. Hence why I chose not to be insured.

Originally Posted by saltwn

People who are elderly, can't work at as good a pay rate as you, have a chronic condition that began before their insurance kicked in or when none was available, or have children do not have that choice. They need access to health care.

Originally Posted by AzMike

"Man you are one stupid woman. Nothing is free you twit, f*cking nothing! Hospitals aren't free to build, doctors like to be paid, interns aren't doing it for free, ambulance drivers want a paycheck...etc...etc...etc.

Others have to give their time, experience, expertise and resources in order to give you your f*cking free.

What menial job do you do anyway? I want that for free. Let's see if your boss agrees and makes you do your job for me off the clock.

You morons and the free sh*t are idiots. You pay your premium for service when needed. As most upstanding normal people recognize. Only you subsisting on the leftovers think you deserve more."
Look here azzhole, you are in denial. You've had your head in Glen Beck's crotch so long you don't know what clean air smells like...
how does that sound you leech?
wanna upgrade the conversation some more?
butt wipe condom recycler, baby killer perverted turd.

Originally Posted by rivrrat

Incorrect. Accessible doesn't mean free. The porche dealership is accessible to me. No one would stop me from buying one, but me. But they're sure as **** not free.

Schools are accessible to everyone, but they're not free.

Restaurants are accessible to everyone, but they're not free.

Public transportation is accessible to everyone, but it's not free.

Accessible doesn't mean free. Try again.

Originally Posted by 1069

Oh, okay. So a business is allowed to advertise itself as being "wheelchair accessible" when it actually has stairs and no wheelchair ramp, because it's accessible to futuristic hovercraft-style wheelchairs. Just because it's "wheelchair accessible" doesn't necessarily mean all wheelchairs can access it.
Got it.

Originally Posted by saltwn

Leech? I'm paying for your f*cking entire existence in retirement and healthcare. You won't even acknowledge you made a ****ty investment and want me and your grandkids to keep paying you. You live today because I am paying for it.

Baby killer? You are socking your grandkids for trillions because you think you're owed. Good job killing those kids future. Or is it just f*ck them you want yours? Congrats you're getting yours I guess and they will pay the bill. Nice job granny.

Originally Posted by AzMike;459469quote=saltwn;459420

Leech? I'm paying for your f*cking entire existence in retirement and healthcare. You won't even acknowledge you made a ****ty investment and want me and your grandkids to keep paying you. You live today because I am paying for it.
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Baby killer? You are socking your grandkids for trillions because you think you're owed. Good job killing those kids future. Or is it just f*ck them you want yours? Congrats you're getting yours I guess and they will pay the bill. Nice job granny.

Originally Posted by larryr

Just a forum for sharing ideas. You don't have to blow a head gasket. Obamacare also has provisions for mental health care. Looks like something you might be in need of.

Originally Posted by rivrrat

And they have it. And I worked for minimum wage or less for a good portion of my life.


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