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Old 07-14-2012, 06:48 AM
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Default Someone claming no jobs last night in my town

I saw a youngish person complaining while sitting in Starbucks about there being no jobs.

That Starbucks happens to be hiring by the way.

IN the downtown shopping district of the town I live in at least 5 stores are hiring.

The local Jewel (grocery chain) is hiring. 3 local McDonalds have jobs open.

Yes you have to actually work at these jobs not sit around drinking lattes but they are hiring.

You can still use your time off to look for something better but there are jobs out there. But people like this boob don't want to work if it's work not a cushy job in an office.
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When i was younger and less knowledgeable, I often wondered how people with college degrees could complain about being unemployed for months on end, while someone like me, with only an eighth grade education and a GED, has never been unemployed for longer than two or three days, regardless of the state of the economy at any given time.

I think the answer is that these people can't afford to work the kind of jobs I work. They have to work in their field. If they have young children, they may not be able to afford to work at McDonalds or another minimum wage job; it wouldn't pay enough to allow them to afford child care while they worked.
If they're degreed, they may (and probably do) have student loans. They may have other debt. They may have a house and car they're paying on; a job which paid $7.25 per hour would simply be a waste of time for them. In their case, it truly would be better to use the time job hunting than frying burgers eight hours a day for a paycheck that won't even make a dent in their expenses. And just because somebody's having a Starbucks does not mean they aren't job hunting. Most real job hunting is done online these days, rather than on foot, and one can just as easily do it from Starbucks as from anywhere else.

I guess if people were willing to toss away the lives they've worked for and move to a crappy apartment in a ghetto neighborhood, sell their cars and ride a bus to work, do without medical insurance and apply for any sort of public assistance they might be eligible for, asking why they don't just take a job at McDonalds would be reasonable... but you need to understand that even crappy apartments in the projects have rules about how many occupants are allowed, so if one has a spouse and three or four children, this would become tricky. I raised two children in apartments where four tenants were the maximum allowed (and that size apartment was the largest one we could afford). If I'd had another child, I don't know what we would've done, where we would've lived. Later, after my kids were grown and gone, I had another one. But we couldn't have raised all three at one time; the apartments we could afford wouldn't have allowed five tenants at a time.

I do not resent people who have made different choices in life than I have, or who have different priorities and values than I have.
If someone's gone to college- especially on loans which they now need to pay back- I do not resent them for not being willing to work a job that I'd be willing to work. I don't have any debt and never have, other than medical debt, which doesn't hurt me any and which I never intend to pay, so in my opinion it doesn't really even count. I can afford to live the way I do and to work low-paying, stress-free jobs that I enjoy; others cannot. They are on a treadmill and can't get off. I do not resent them, nor do I envy them.
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When i was younger and less knowledgeable, I often wondered how people with college degrees could complain about being unemployed for months on end, while someone like me, with only an eighth grade education and a GED, has never been unemployed for longer than two or three days, regardless of the state of the economy at any given time.

I think the answer is that these people can't afford to work the kind of jobs I work. They have to work in their field. If they have young children, they may not be able to afford to work at McDonalds or another minimum wage job; it wouldn't pay enough to allow them to afford child care while they worked.
If they're degreed, they may (and probably do) have student loans. They may have other debt. They may have a house and car they're paying on; a job which paid $7.25 per hour would simply be a waste of time for them. In their case, it truly would be better to use the time job hunting than frying burgers eight hours a day for a paycheck that won't even make a dent in their expenses. And just because somebody's having a Starbucks does not mean they aren't job hunting. Most real job hunting is done online these days, rather than on foot, and one can just as easily do it from Starbucks as from anywhere else.

I guess if people were willing to toss away the lives they've worked for and move to a crappy apartment in a ghetto neighborhood, sell their cars and ride a bus to work, do without medical insurance and apply for any sort of public assistance they might be eligible for, asking why they don't just take a job at McDonalds would be reasonable... but you need to understand that even crappy apartments in the projects have rules about how many occupants are allowed, so if one has a spouse and three or four children, this would become tricky. I raised two children in apartments where four tenants were the maximum allowed (and that size apartment was the largest one we could afford). If I'd had another child, I don't know what we would've done, where we would've lived. Later, after my kids were grown and gone, I had another one. But we couldn't have raised all three at one time; the apartments we could afford wouldn't have allowed five tenants at a time.

I do not resent people who have made different choices in life than I have, or who have different priorities and values than I have.
If someone's gone to college- especially on loans which they now need to pay back- I do not resent them for not being willing to work a job that I'd be willing to work. I don't have any debt and never have, other than medical debt, which doesn't hurt me any and which I never intend to pay, so in my opinion it doesn't really even count. I can afford to live the way I do and to work low-paying, stress-free jobs that I enjoy; others cannot. They are on a treadmill and can't get off. I do not resent them, nor do I envy them.
You have it completely wrong. That is a starting salary you are talking about. Do you believe they would have to work for that the rest of their lives? And another thing you've overlooked is at that salary, government programs exist such as food stamps and child care to help them get past the rough spot until they start earning a better salary.

The problem we have today is that no one checks the people in those programs. Once they start receiving child care and food stamps, after they reach a certain salary, they are required to report it and stop getting the freebies. Most of them never do and just continue getting government hand-outs. Thus the fraud and waste in our entitlement system.
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When i was younger and less knowledgeable, I often wondered how people with college degrees could complain about being unemployed for months on end, while someone like me, with only an eighth grade education and a GED, has never been unemployed for longer than two or three days, regardless of the state of the economy at any given time.

I think the answer is that these people can't afford to work the kind of jobs I work. They have to work in their field. If they have young children, they may not be able to afford to work at McDonalds or another minimum wage job; it wouldn't pay enough to allow them to afford child care while they worked.
If they're degreed, they may (and probably do) have student loans. They may have other debt. They may have a house and car they're paying on; a job which paid $7.25 per hour would simply be a waste of time for them. In their case, it truly would be better to use the time job hunting than frying burgers eight hours a day for a paycheck that won't even make a dent in their expenses. And just because somebody's having a Starbucks does not mean they aren't job hunting. Most real job hunting is done online these days, rather than on foot, and one can just as easily do it from Starbucks as from anywhere else.

I guess if people were willing to toss away the lives they've worked for and move to a crappy apartment in a ghetto neighborhood, sell their cars and ride a bus to work, do without medical insurance and apply for any sort of public assistance they might be eligible for, asking why they don't just take a job at McDonalds would be reasonable... but you need to understand that even crappy apartments in the projects have rules about how many occupants are allowed, so if one has a spouse and three or four children, this would become tricky. I raised two children in apartments where four tenants were the maximum allowed (and that size apartment was the largest one we could afford). If I'd had another child, I don't know what we would've done, where we would've lived. Later, after my kids were grown and gone, I had another one. But we couldn't have raised all three at one time; the apartments we could afford wouldn't have allowed five tenants at a time.

I do not resent people who have made different choices in life than I have, or who have different priorities and values than I have.
If someone's gone to college- especially on loans which they now need to pay back- I do not resent them for not being willing to work a job that I'd be willing to work. I don't have any debt and never have, other than medical debt, which doesn't hurt me any and which I never intend to pay, so in my opinion it doesn't really even count. I can afford to live the way I do and to work low-paying, stress-free jobs that I enjoy; others cannot. They are on a treadmill and can't get off. I do not resent them, nor do I envy them.
"The lives they worked for," were like all lives, temporary. These tapeworms are just too conceited and stupid to grasp that. And we all know how valuable tapeworms are.
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Also chances are good this young guy was on umemployment so supported by taxpayers or living off his parents.

He should be working if he can get a job while looking for something in his field. Why should we or his parents support him?
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Also chances are good this young guy was on umemployment so supported by taxpayers or living off his parents.

He should be working if he can get a job while looking for something in his field. Why should we or his parents support him?
I thought employers paid into unemployment insurance.

When I was in the same boat as 10 I worked wherever and whenever.
But once I became a nurse I only applied for nursing jobs (till I had heart trouble and thought it might be stress related--another story). I have never drawn unemployment, but I was stuck for a time in a town where there were no medical facilities or jobs for nurses within 75 miles. The only other jobs in town were filled. It was a picker town in Texas.
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