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Old 07-11-2012, 12:36 AM
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I'm really trying to understand the argument here, and it just doesn't make much sense to me.

Romney has offshore accounts. So? Virtually everyone who deals with large amounts of foreign transactions have offshore accounts. There is nothing illegal about it. There is nothing INHERENTLY suspicious about it.

We know that he has these accounts. I guess I don't understand what people want. Do they want totals? Really? Are these totals really the business of Americans when really America doesn't have anything to do with these accounts?

And EVEN IF the offshore accounts were an issue, the message coming from the left on this one is off base. No need to attack the man for being successful, or following the law.

THE PROBLEM I see comes into Romney's mantra of "job creator". With the international accounts and international transactions, Romney is indeed creating jobs. OUTSIDE THE US. Think of the jobs he would create here if he brought his money here.

Just a thought.
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Old 07-11-2012, 12:51 AM
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dabateman;453289]I'm really trying to understand the argument here, and it just doesn't make much sense to me.

Romney has offshore accounts. So? Virtually everyone who deals with large amounts of foreign transactions have offshore accounts. There is nothing illegal about it. There is nothing INHERENTLY suspicious about it.
Personally I am always suspicious of these types of accounts. But that wasn't the entire point.
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We know that he has these accounts. I guess I don't understand what people want. Do they want totals? Really? Are these totals really the business of Americans when really America doesn't have anything to do with these accounts?

And EVEN IF the offshore accounts were an issue, the message coming from the left on this one is off base. No need to attack the man for being successful, or following the law.
Here is some of my issue. The guy is paying 15% in taxes. He admits that. He wants to lower the top rate to 25% down from 35% even though he only pays 15%. What percentage would he pay then? But on top of this he claims he wants to close loopholes. Isn't using these tax havens a loophole? Nobody has used them more than him. Now according to him he hasn't worked in years so again why offshore money you have already accounted for?
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THE PROBLEM I see comes into Romney's mantra of "job creator". With the international accounts and international transactions, Romney is indeed creating jobs. OUTSIDE THE US. Think of the jobs he would create here if he brought his money here.

Just a thought.
[/QUOTE]This gets to my point of citizenship and responsibility there in. He knew he was running to lead Americans yet has his money in foriegn accounts, in francs and claims to have already paid taxes on the money. So why not bring the money here to help create jobs. Just putting it in U.S. banks helps the banks loan to credit worthy Americans and businesses.

The attitude that some have that if you can't prove a crime it's no issue at all is BS. It is still a look into his character.
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The attitude that some have that if you can't prove a crime it's no issue at all is BS. It is still a look into his character.
If you can't prove a crime, then it really isn't an issue. That's one of the fundamental precepts of this nation. Innocent until PROVEN guilty.

Having the accounts are not reflective of his character. Following the law are not reflective of his character.
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dabateman;453292]If you can't prove a crime, then it really isn't an issue. That's one of the fundamental precepts of this nation. Innocent until PROVEN guilty.
But you see I haven't accused him of a crime. I have made a judgment on his choices.
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[/QUOTE]It is when you claim you want to stop what you make a habit of doing.

Some countries allow for girls to marry at 12 years old. Lets say I go there and marry one. It is all legal yet you would make a judgment call on that would you not? You wouldn't simply shrug it off as a legal choice.
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It is when you claim you want to stop what you make a habit of doing.
I don't get on people who advocate for rule changes while playing the current rules. (Obama and campaign finance)

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Actually, I would. What you do there is your problem and theirs. Not mine.
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Hey mikeyy...
Washington was the commander of the continental army --- i would say that qualifies as executive experience.
Eisenhower was also a general charged with commanding forces in combat --- again, probably qualifies as executive experience.
Reagan was governor of california --- pretty sure that's executive experience.
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If you can't prove a crime, then it really isn't an issue. That's one of the fundamental precepts of this nation. Innocent until PROVEN guilty.

Having the accounts are not reflective of his character. Following the law are not reflective of his character.
I generally agree except for your last sentence. I believe following the law is reflective, at least to some degree, of ones character. Just as not following it would be reflective of ones character.
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I generally agree except for your last sentence. I believe following the law is reflective, at least to some degree, of ones character. Just as not following it would be reflective of ones character.
I think what I meant to say is that following the law is not a good indicator. Just because someone follows the law doesn't make them a good person and just because a person breaks the law doesn't make them a bad person. It's far more complicated than that.
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I don't get on people who advocate for rule changes while playing the current rules. (Obama and campaign finance)



Actually, I would. What you do there is your problem and theirs. Not mine.
Even if I was running for office? Well, it's ok. I do make those judgement calls
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Even if I was running for office? Well, it's ok. I do make those judgement calls
Okay, so let me get this straight...

You want to compare apples and oranges with the child marriage crap. You want to go after Romney for following the law, and you expect him to adhere to standards you don't expect Obama to adhere to...

That doesn't make much sense to me. That's not called a judgment call, that's called a bias call.
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