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And blacks were not considered whole people at one time also. So?
Nobody is saying either people are not 'whole.'

The arabs refused the land offered to them. The Jews accepted it.

At the moment with the size of Israel as it is it is apparently the size of New Jersey. Why can't the Jews be able to live in their own land which they have been driven from in the past, where there have been proof of Jewish habitation there from a couple or more thousand years ago, and which land has legally been reonstituted to them by the League of Nations.

The fact that people on various forums deny the Jews their LEGAL right to live in peace in their own land is so tragic it is almost laughable and really does show people's true colours.
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Nobody is saying either people are not 'whole.'

The arabs refused the land offered to them. The Jews accepted it.

At the moment with the size of Israel as it is it is apparently the size of New Jersey. Why can't the Jews be able to live in their own land which they have been driven from in the past, where there have been proof of Jewish habitation there from a couple or more thousand years ago, and which land has legally been reonstituted to them by the League of Nations.

The fact that people on various forums deny the Jews their LEGAL right to live in peace in their own land is so tragic it is almost laughable and really does show people's true colours.
Look, lets face it. You hate arabs and are pro jew. You are a bigot. That's fine. But lets not pretend your history is fair and balanced. It just ain't.
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Look, lets face it. You hate arabs and are pro jew. You are a bigot. That's fine. But lets not pretend your history is fair and balanced. It just ain't.
That's just crazy talk Mikeyy.......



You sound like an anti-semite with that crap for heavens sake.......
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Look, lets face it. You hate arabs and are pro jew. You are a bigot. That's fine. But lets not pretend your history is fair and balanced. It just ain't.
Whatever.
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That's just crazy talk Mikeyy.......



You sound like an anti-semite with that crap for heavens sake.......
They are baiting for a fight. I just inform with the facts.
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That's just crazy talk Mikeyy.......



You sound like an anti-semite with that crap for heavens sake.......
She refuses to understand that arabs were given little or no weight in many decisions because they were not organized and had no political power 100 years ago. I hate when people act stupid for bigoted reasons
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She refuses to understand that arabs were given little or no weight in many decisions because they were not organized and had no political power 100 years ago. I hate when people act stupid for bigoted reasons
She's not being stupid about this Mikeyy, you are......


You are the one that called her a bigot....


Rather than discuss Arabs today, you want to go back 100 years, for what.....??

Again that's crazy talk.....

Arabs want to destroy the jews and that's nothing new to folks with half an ounce of snap......
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The Jews were in the land thousands of years ago and were granted the right to Palestine in the 1922 San Remo Mandate by the UN (which was called the League of Nations), before the Holocaust, before the 1967 War.

The UN Division of the land in 1947 was illegal as anything that contradicts the League of Nations San Remo Mandate was void. The land of Judea and Samaria is stated in the San Remo Mandate that it should be settled on and nothing - no laws or resolutions from the UN is valid.
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San Remo Resolution - April 25, 1920

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(a) To accept the terms of the Mandates Article as given below with reference to Palestine, on the understanding that there was inserted in the process-verbal an undertaking by the Mandatory Power that this would not involve the surrender of the rights hitherto enjoyed by the non-Jewish communities in Palestine; this undertaking not to refer to the question of the religious protectorate of France, which had been settled earlier in the previous afternoon by the undertaking given by the French Government that they recognized this protectorate as being at an end.

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According to Wikipedia (which is a pretty good general source in that it gives citations): British Mandate for Palestine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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The United Nations Special Committee on Palestine said the Jewish National Home, which derived from the formulation of Zionist aspirations in the 1897 Basle program has provoked many discussions concerning its meaning, scope and legal character, especially since it had no known legal connotation and there are no precedents in international law for its interpretation. It was used in the Balfour Declaration and in the Mandate, both of which promised the establishment of a "Jewish National Home" without, however, defining its meaning. A statement on "British Policy in Palestine," issued on 3 June 1922 by the Colonial Office, placed a restrictive construction upon the Balfour Declaration. The statement included "the disappearance or subordination of the Arabic population, language or customs in Palestine" or "the imposition of Jewish nationality upon the inhabitants of Palestine as a whole", and made it clear that in the eyes of the mandatory Power, the Jewish National Home was to be founded in Palestine and not that Palestine as a whole was to be converted into a Jewish National Home. The Committee noted that the construction, which restricted considerably the scope of the National Home, was made prior to the confirmation of the Mandate by the Council of the League of Nations and was formally accepted at the time by the Executive of the Zionist Organization.[62]
(we argued same in this thread http://www.politicalwrinkles.com/ele...tml#post395350 )
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Look, lets face it. You hate arabs and are pro jew. You are a bigot. That's fine. But lets not pretend your history is fair and balanced. It just ain't.
You don't know her Mikeyy, enough to say that. She states up front she's a Zionist and she believes that the Jews are entitled to Palestine. That does not make her a bigot or mean she hates arabs - it means she supports a different vision for Israel than you (or I do). Personal attacks like this do nothing to promote a discussion
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She's not being stupid about this Mikeyy, you are......


You are the one that called her a bigot....


Rather than discuss Arabs today, you want to go back 100 years, for what.....??

Again that's crazy talk.....

Arabs want to destroy the jews and that's nothing new to folks with half an ounce of snap......
And that is no better than the generalizations Mikeyy is making.
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