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You only have a demand if enough people want to listen to you. There is plenty of left wing supply but nobody is buying it.
Who the hell wants to listen to made up sh*t all commute or after dinner or whatever?
Liberal, Conservative. Shows you don't know what talk radio is at all. I've heard some entertaining and some informative stuff none of which was on a station that identified itself nor did the dj's as partisan. Sometimes a person would get into a conversation and say frankly, "I think this way," or, "I grew up believing this" but it was never drill drill hate the other party or hate anybody actually.
Politics might occasionally be discussed or on a regular basis especially during an election year ideas are presented. Usually represented by a speaker from either side. There may be callers or not.
Don't you guys want quality?
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No it's supply side radio, not a listener demand market. It's like everything else in consumer jail today.


Liberal radio, Conservative radio. How about some serious programing and to hell with partisanship.
Partisanship will never end in media, we'll never be able to be truly objective. I just think it'd be nice if both sides could say their side fully, even if hateful.
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I would like TV banned 5 days a week. Radio hate talk banned altogether. I know it's unAmerican but I think for a little while it could be good for civility.
Not possible, because the people who created television's popularity - us - the Baby Boomer generation - grew up with it as the great babysitter. We would hardly even think to eliminate it (and it probably isn't possible), from our children, who are engaged in the social communication revolution, brought about through the invention of the computer chip which allowed for the miniaturization of technology, the cellphone, IPOD's, computer's, etc. Their choices of television shows to watch are the determining factor and the driving force behind our spending, the children are the ones who are targeted because they spend the money on the frills.

As for television and radio talk show news reporting? Each network seems to have its own political agenda they want to brand into the American conscience, and the media's determination to "destroy" each and every thing that essentially is supposed to be "good" in America, comes about from the collaboration in the 1970's between newspaper's (Washington Post), and television (CBS), which exposed the Watergate scandal. Every politician must have something "wrong" with him or her, there has to be some dirt on them somewhere, and the media must find and expose it. If they can't find any, they invent it sometimes with thumbsucker pieces, and create a story from a non-story. Romney - engaging in bullying in High School? Obama's birth certificate investigation? Silly and stupid stories that even 6th grader's would brush off as stupid, and highly paid newspaper and television executives put out with the idea that such stories disqualify someone from being President. Vetting by the press, although necessary for a sound political system is fine, the press and media (tv), always go too far.

There are enough lames out there in our voting body politic who actually listen to these type of stories, unfortunately, and tv is the great communicator, which can make or break just about everybody and every idea.

From there television went to the Jim Wright intelligence community, which destroyed the ability, and endangered lives, of the Central Intelligence Agency and the FBI, to gather intelligence physically, in foreign countries, and branded such activity, necessary for America's or any countries defense, as wrong and exceeding their mandate.

America can only engage in techno-intelligence gathering today - one of the results of that committee, which destroyed America's intelligence agencies, was 9/11. We knew about Bin Ladan and Al Quida, we couldn't do anything about him until after they attacked. 9/11 changed American policy forever, giving the President and our intelligence community back the power to strike where and when necessary, which the Wright Committee had destroyed. The idea of national security being maintained over free speech was destroyed when the Supreme Court ruled in favor of free speech of the N.Y. Times in the Pentagon Papers case.

Now - all that being said, talk-radio, with fools like Stern and Limbaugh, essentially can be ignored. Ignoring television news reporting is much more difficult. Our children don't watch news, don't read history (as a country, the population only reads regularly about 10% of the time), and gets their news from television.

Newspapers for the long view? Some are good, the N.Y. Times, Washington, Post, Wall Street Journal, London Times, Los Angeles Times, etc., but very very few. Our kids read tabloids, People magazine, Entertainment magazine, Deco Drive and surprisingly, The Star and National Enquirer. BTW, both of those tabloids, published out of Lantana, Florida, called the Bush-Gore Florida fiasco during the 2000 election correctly, before it happened, and predicted the final result - that Bush would win Florida by less than 1000 votes correctly also. The big outlets, newspapers and television, got it wrong. How?

Both tabloids hire hundreds of journalism majors a year right out of college and set them loose on their communities to report on anything they want to. Many times, they get the story right. But, newspapers are losing their hold on America and most of them are available on-line now anyway. New Orleans' will only publish their daily newspaper three times a week from now on, which was announced a couple of days ago. A newspaper to an intelligent person has a front page for people who want the news - a comic page for people who can't read - and an editorial page for people who can't think. We should apply that same standard to most of our television news programs, which are presented more as entertainment and scoop, than as news. It isn't about public service or the news, it is about entertainment and ratings and money now, and, of course, our children are not listening. Add in the graphic and pornographic nature of tv and the movies they watch, and is it any wonder our education system is dying? Television exists for one purpose only - to sell you something. Tragedy sells product on tv and it is very, very rare that television interrupts a commercial.

With all that being said, I don't watch television much. Find the shows are stupid, the newspaper reporting is biased and unfair, and only rarely does it bring me something to entertain me. Now - that lint story of Chicago Cub third basemen - probably would develop a good following. After all, Don Ohlmier, who invented ABC's Wide World of Sports in the 1960's also produced a tv show intended for sixth grade mentality, and it remained the Number 1 or 2 show on tv for 12 years - "The Beverly Hillbillies." It remains in syndication today - go figure???
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Who the hell wants to listen to made up sh*t all commute or after dinner or whatever?
Liberal, Conservative. Shows you don't know what talk radio is at all. I've heard some entertaining and some informative stuff none of which was on a station that identified itself nor did the dj's as partisan. Sometimes a person would get into a conversation and say frankly, "I think this way," or, "I grew up believing this" but it was never drill drill hate the other party or hate anybody actually.
Politics might occasionally be discussed or on a regular basis especially during an election year ideas are presented. Usually represented by a speaker from either side. There may be callers or not.
Don't you guys want quality?
Obviously a lot of people do want to listen to what you consider sh*t. And that's the problem you have. We dont have to use your measurement of what is quality or mine or any other individual. A lot of what is out there I consider complete crap so I don't watch Idol, Biggest Loser or those idiots from Jersey. I don't watch but others do, I think they're dumb but it's their time. Find stations you like and stream it, that will boost the rating and more shows like it will follow.
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Obviously a lot of people do want to listen to what you consider sh*t. And that's the problem you have. We dont have to use your measurement of what is quality or mine or any other individual. A lot of what is out there I consider complete crap so I don't watch Idol, Biggest Loser or those idiots from Jersey. I don't watch but others do, I think they're dumb but it's their time. Find stations you like and stream it, that will boost the rating and more shows like it will follow.
I don't watch tv at all. Sometimes some one tells me about a good series and I will find it on hulu or netflix (which I'm about to fire) and I'll follow it that way for awhile. Radio I've given up on altogether. Sometimes I listen to progressive radio but it's so damned partisan always pushing the agenda just like all the so called conservative talk shows. About the only thing talk wise I listen to is a conspiracy show on late night radio. At least I know that stuff is made up and it's not presented as news. But do you know what? Some of the affiliates have been bought up and more and more they are pushing these guys to squeeze political stuff in there. I've complained about it.
Sometimes I catch a farm report or a garden show and that is all I have of talk radio. Like I said I feel sorry for you guys today having to grow up and grow old with this hate crap.
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I don't watch tv at all. Sometimes some one tells me about a good series and I will find it on hulu or netflix (which I'm about to fire) and I'll follow it that way for awhile. Radio I've given up on altogether. Sometimes I listen to progressive radio but it's so damned partisan always pushing the agenda just like all the so called conservative talk shows. About the only thing talk wise I listen to is a conspiracy show on late night radio. At least I know that stuff is made up and it's not presented as news. But do you know what? Some of the affiliates have been bought up and more and more they are pushing these guys to squeeze political stuff in there. I've complained about it.
Sometimes I catch a farm report or a garden show and that is all I have of talk radio. Like I said I feel sorry for you guys today having to grow up and grow old with this hate crap.
That's the thing that's great about it. We have the internet and can watch anything we want at any time. We don't have to watch or listen to anything we don't like. On the other hand we can research more of other peoples ideas as well. We no longer have to be spoon fed by a few news anchors between 5 and 6 every night.
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That's the thing that's great about it. We have the internet and can watch anything we want at any time. We don't have to watch or listen to anything we don't like. On the other hand we can research more of other peoples ideas as well. We no longer have to be spoon fed by a few news anchors between 5 and 6 every night.
Good point!
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The left likes the Fairness Doctrine because their point of view cannot stand the light of day. When aired on a media such as 'talk radio " the fact the ideology is simply a lot of slogans concocted to fire up a mob,but completely without substance is clear. Look at how unsuccessful "AirAmerica" has been or the fact that NPR has relied on tax payer dollers for years. When they broadcast their gimicicky logic no one listens.

The left despises the entire Bill of Rights, but I think the First Amendment is what they would repeal first if they could.
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The left likes the Fairness Doctrine because their point of view cannot stand the light of day. When aired on a media such as 'talk radio " the fact the ideology is simply a lot of slogans concocted to fire up a mob,but completely without substance is clear. Look at how unsuccessful "AirAmerica" has been or the fact that NPR has relied on tax payer dollers for years. When they broadcast their gimicicky logic no one listens.

The left despises the entire Bill of Rights, but I think the First Amendment is what they would repeal first if they could.
you are making a great case for the fairness doctrine here.
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In the 80s one or two entities bought up a lot of radio and Reagan signed away the fairness doctrine which had withstood court scrutiny and stood us in good stead.
This is a (very) thinly veiled plea for the resurrection of the so-called "Fairness Doctrine"...

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Today most talk radio is an info mercial for one political party or the other. ...[T]here are those who are fed up with hate radio enough to put their $ where their mouth is and abstain from buying sponsor products.
As you are (doubtless) well aware, talk radio is dominated by the political right.

So what you are really saying, in a roundabout way, is that you are "fed up" with this domination by the right; so you will equate this domination with "hate," in order to try to score a few rhetorical points.

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TV is not a source of news at all with the exception of CSpan which doesn't report everything. ... One must increasingly look for outside sources and wade through the partisanship to pry reality from the cracks.
It is another thinly veiled shot; this one, at FNC, since it is (easily) the ratings leader among 24/7 cable-news networks...
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