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Old 05-17-2012, 03:57 PM
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Default Man Commits Suicide After Years Of Fighting Wachovia & Wells Fargo Over Mortgage Mess

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We've written some incredibly sad stories about homeowners trapped in the mortgage meltdown maze, and this one certainly ranks up there among the most depressing. Not just because a man is dead, but because it could have all been prevented more than three years ago.
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Back in 2000, the man and his wife purchased a home together in Southern California. They made a 30% down payment and spent the next several years making their payments to the bank on-time and in-person.
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They also spent several years dodging suggestions from Wachovia to refinance their mortgage. But five years ago, a Wachovia rep got into their heads with promises of lowering their monthly payments by more than $600 by refinancing using the bank's new Pick-A-Pay adjustable rate plan.

FYI, that's the same plan that just cost Wells Fargo $590 million because the folks at Wachovia had a habit of fudging application paperwork. In fact, the story here, the loan officer flat-out lied about the homeowners' income, almost doubling it on the application without their knowledge.
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In addition to those deceptions, the homeowners were told "if an [interest rate] increase should occur it would have a negligible effect on the monthly payments of no more than a few dollars," and that they "should expect to refinance within the next two years to take advantage of even more favorable interest rates."

In spite of all this, the couple still made their monthly payments, in person, via cashier's check.
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Then in May 2009, they were told they had missed a payment the month before. The homeowners say they provided proof that they had given a cashier's check to the teller for April, along with proof that the check had been cashed.

But Wachovia's collections department continued to demand payment. According to the homeowners, they received 6 to 8 calls each week from the bank.

In early August 2009, they received a notice of intent to foreclose, but when they contacted Wachovia they were told that their account was current and received an apology for the error.

Then later that month, Wachovia sent them a certified letter demanding payment of nearly $3,500. That same week, the bank claimed that the check which the homeowners had already proven had been cashed had actually had a stop-payment put on it.
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However, the homeowners didn't issue the cancellation nor did they get that money back in their account.
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While all this was going on, the couple alleged that they received multiple statements from Wachovia for several months. But these weren't duplicates, say the homeowners; the amounts were different on each statement.
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In September 2009, the couple applied for a loan modification. And when they tried to make their payment at the local Wachovia, they were told it could not be accepted because the loan was being reviewed for a modification.

This continued on for several months, with the bank continuing to threaten foreclosure while all the while saying it could not accept payments during the review process.

The couple were put through the usual "we haven't received all your documents" wringer by Wachovia. Even after the bank, in April 2010, told them it had all the docs, a month later their application was denied because of supposed missing documentation.

"I had the money...I had the money. I had everything to make that work," the wife tells CBS Los Angeles.

They sold the house in November 2010, but their lawyer was able to get a judge to issue a stay. That eventually fell apart and earlier this month the family was given five days to get out of their house.
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So that they would have somewhere to stay, the husband bought a motor home. But even that stopped working as soon as he got it back to their soon-to-be-former house.

The next day, Mother's Day, the man took his own life in his bedroom.
Man Commits Suicide After Years Of Fighting Wachovia & Wells Fargo Over Mortgage Mess-Up - The Consumerist
"He saw there was no more way out and there was no where to go and...he snapped," explains his wife, who says she has spent all her money fighting the bank.

Wells Fargo offered to let her and her son stay in the house a little longer, following her husband's death, but she tells CBS it's a little too late for that.
puts a whole new spin on the term predatory lender.
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puts a whole new spin on the term predatory lender.
Corporations are people.
Arrest the bank for theft..
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Having been through my own SNAFU with a mortgage company (Nationstar), I can understand the anger and confusion he must have been feeling.

But to take his life? That is a pretty serious reaction.

The snippets you posted don't say if they involved a lawyer, which would have been my reaction after August of 2009.

The banks did some rotten things, no question about it. But, the final weight is on the homeowner, and what they signed.
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Sounds like the bank screwed up some things but the families story isn't adding up either. I don't think we're hearing the full story.
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Suicide would be a way over the top reaction to this situation, I'm betting this isn't nearly the whole story. The background story simple doesn't match the reaction unless there was other factors such as a mental condition.
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Corporations are people.
Only in the eyes of the liberal left, the rest of us understand that corporations consist of people, as Justice Kennedy's majority opinion said.
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Having been through my own SNAFU with a mortgage company (Nationstar), I can understand the anger and confusion he must have been feeling.

But to take his life? That is a pretty serious reaction.

The snippets you posted don't say if they involved a lawyer, which would have been my reaction after August of 2009.

The banks did some rotten things, no question about it. But, the final weight is on the homeowner, and what they signed.
Yes they hired a lawyer after it looked like they couldn't clear it up right away.
No the final weight is on Wells Fargo. These people did everything right. See bold type on the OP.
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Suicide would be a way over the top reaction to this situation, I'm betting this isn't nearly the whole story. The background story simple doesn't match the reaction unless there was other factors such as a mental condition.
Your mental condition would deteriorate too, after you paid your bills on time in person and then were forced after a 3 yr battle to live in a motor home which turned out to be a lemon and you had 5 days to move.
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Your mental condition would deteriorate too, after you paid your bills on time in person and then were forced after a 3 yr battle to live in a motor home which turned out to be a lemon and you had 5 days to move.
A house is just a thing, certainly nothing a stable person is going to commit suicide over. The 5 days thing is just bs heartstring pulling, it takes way longer than 5 days to foreclose on a house. As you said "a three year battle", in three years they didn't think "gee, maybe we better have a plan in case their serious about the umpteen foreclosure notices they sent us."?
The article you posted is a seriously one sided story, only the wife's side. Taking the article at face value is fool hardy.
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A house is just a thing, certainly nothing a stable person is going to commit suicide over. The 5 days thing is just bs heartstring pulling, it takes way longer than 5 days to foreclose on a house. As you said "a three year battle", in three years they didn't think "gee, maybe we better have a plan in case their serious about the umpteen foreclosure notices they sent us."?
The article you posted is a seriously one sided story, only the wife's side. Taking the article at face value is fool hardy.
If it were coming out of left field I might agree with you. But this is by no means the only sob story in the mortgage news today.
I haven't done it yet but I'll bet you will get an eye opening if you just google "nightmare foreclosure", couple loses home after they paid for it, foreclosure horror story.
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