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Old 04-25-2012, 12:41 PM
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You should really read the article you posted.
When I read about Owen's background, his relations with the neighborhood and the statements from some of the people quoted - I get the strong sense that there is more to this beating than a case of "justice for Trayvon" that you make it out to be. Perhaps you chose a bad example for your soapbox?
One person - possibly making a comment about Trayvon doesn't mitigate these other factors.
Thank you police, for playing this down and not encouraging race-baiting - from either direction.

From the first link:
Neighbors say Matthew Owens chased off a group of black kids with kitchen knives after the boys lost a basketball in his sister's yard. He was attacked by as many as 20 people with chairs, pipes and paint cans a short time later.

Based on the accusations forom angry neighbors, News 5 did some digging and learned Owens has a violent track record. The Mobile County Metro Jail log shows police have arrested Owens numerous times over the past 12 years for things like domestic violence, assault and sex abuse. His first arrest was November 4, 1990 for assault. The last time officers transported Owens to jail was last March on a domestic violence charge.
While this in no way excuses the violent mob assault against Matthew, it helps clear up that the motivation was NOT a simple "we're mad about Trayvon and looking for a white guy"...

It's interesting that the Independent Journal Review employs such blatant race baiting in their title.
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The fact the prosecution has such a thin case the charging document was a single page containing no proof as to what happened doesn't matter
The affidavit the female prosecutor filed when deciding to charge Zimmerman is being attacked viciously by many legal experts. Most say it is laughable for a second degree murder charge seeing it's contents. They also say no jury in their right mind would convict Zimmerman based on what is inside the affidavit.

The special prosecutor that made the decision to charge Zimmerman is also receiving strange looks and heat for going forth with this, seeing the evidence is so weak. Even the lead investigator in the bond hearing testified under oath that there was zero evidence showing who approached whom and who initiated the fight.

Let me repeat that again since it seems vaguely important. /sarcasm

The lead investigator said under oath on the stand there is no evidence showing who approached who or who started the fight.

Shocking. This is the entire case right here. If Zimmerman initiated the fight he is guilty and cannot use self defense as an excuse. If Martin started the fight, Zimmerman can absolutely use self defense and be justified by his actions. The fact the prosecution apparently has no evidence showing this either way is extremely damning and detrimental to their case.

The prosecution is also taking much heat for leaving out key evidence in the case such as the photo of the bloody head of Zimmerman. The prosecution is required to include ALL evidence whether it helps them or not. And they had this picture. They simply decided to exclude it because it is damning to their case.

It is looking more and more like this prosecutor may have filed charges based solely on pressure from the media and protesters. There was a reason Sanford police never filed charges. We are beginning to see now they may have been right all along.

If during the trial the prosecution's case is weak with no hard evidence, I am going to be extremely disappointed with the special prosecutor. By trying this case based solely on outside pressure or political correctness, she is causing more harm than good. She is getting everyone's hopes up and setting up a potential riot when and if Zimmerman is acquitted.

Courts are not a place for political correctness or a venue to bow down to outside pressure. This is not a game. It is serious business.
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The affidavit the female prosecutor filed when deciding to charge Zimmerman is being attacked viciously by many legal experts. Most say it is laughable for a second degree murder charge seeing it's contents. They also say no jury in their right mind would convict Zimmerman based on what is inside the affidavit.

The special prosecutor that made the decision to charge Zimmerman is also receiving strange looks and heat for going forth with this, seeing the evidence is so weak. Even the lead investigator in the bond hearing testified under oath that there was zero evidence showing who approached whom and who initiated the fight.

Let me repeat that again since it seems vaguely important. /sarcasm

The lead investigator said under oath on the stand the is no evidence showing who approached who or who started the fight.

Shocking. This is the entire case right here. If Zimmerman initiated the fight he is guilty and cannot use self defense as an excuse. If Martin started the fight, Zimmerman can absolutely use self defense and be justified by his actions. The fact the prosecution apparently has no evidence showing this either way is extremely damning and detrimental to their case.

It is looking more and more like this prosecutor may have filed charges based solely on pressure from the media and protesters. There was a reason Sanford police never filed charges. We are beginning to see now they may have been right all along.

If during the trial the prosecution's case is weak with no hard evidence, I am going to be extremely disappointed with the special prosecutor. By trying this case based solely on outside pressure or political correctness, she is causing more harm than good. She is getting everyone's hopes up and setting up a potential riot when and if Zimmerman is acquitted.

Courts are not a place for political correctness or a venue to bow down to outside pressure. This is not a game. It is serious business.
Here we go again. Hey Perry Mason, Let's let the case run it's course.
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Here we go again. Hey Perry Mason, Let's let the case run it's course.
Agree. I seriously doubt we have all the information available to the court so the all we can do is armchair-quarterbacking and that gets old.
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Here we go again. Hey Perry Mason, Let's let the case run it's course.
We are. We are also allowed to comment on the facts, such as you have done in other threads. Unlike yourself, my commentary is based on facts and not some preconceived version of events in my head spoon-fed to me by MSNBC.

Have to learn to think for yourself, Mikeyy and cease following the crowd. You are the most predictable poster on this board. I know what you are going to say in every thread before you say it. Now why do you think that is, Mikeyy? Could it be because you are predictable and simply parrot the party line and MSNBC talking points?

Be a free thinker, Mikeyy. You can do it, buddy.

Besides, this is a debate board. Discussing issues is the entire heart of the forum. If you do not like discussing and debating the issues, I recommend you not click on the thread.
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We are. We are also allowed to comment on the facts, such as you have done in other threads. Unlike yourself, my commentary is based on facts and not some preconceived version of events in my head spoon-fed to me by MSNBC.

Have to learn to think for yourself, Mikeyy and cease following the crowd. You are the most predictable poster on this board. I know what you are going to say in every thread before you say it. Now why do you think that is, Mikeyy? Could it be because you are predictable and simply parrot the party line and MSNBC talking points?

Be a free thinker, Mikeyy. You can do it, buddy.

Besides, this is a debate board. Discussing issues is the entire heart of the forum. If you do not like discussing and debating the issues, I recommend you not click on the thread.
This is your comment comet

"It is looking more and more like this prosecutor may have filed charges based solely on pressure from the media and protesters. There was a reason Sanford police never filed charges. We are beginning to see now they may have been right all along."

How do you gain all of that out of what we know? Maybe had the Sanford police done a thorough investigation at the time there would have been less questions today. They obviously did not so how would you assume that they had it right. In the end a kid was not commiting a crime, He was minding his own business and the ordeal was brought to him.
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How do you gain all of that out of what we know?
I already answered this. The fact the lead investigator stated under oath there is no evidence showing who approached who or who started the fight shows this case is extremely thin.

How on Earth are you going to convict this man when there is no evidence showing he initiated the confrontation and fight?

The correct answer is, "You cannot."

My jaw dropped when this revelation was announced.

You have to learn to not have preconceived notions, Mikeyy. It is most wise and logical to base your opinions based on facts instead. I understand you have already made up your mind and desperately want Zimmerman to be found guilty based on your previous comments in many other threads, but that is not how it works, sir.

Facts always win.
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