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Old 03-30-2012, 03:25 AM
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I was watching a great video Inside Zero Hour about 9/11. There was a part talking about how the fighter planes were given the order to take down any planes that didn't comply.

I cant imagine what just getting the order from the White House to take down a plane with hundreds of innocent men, women and children in an effort to save thousands. I can't imagine having to actually go through with it. Yea sure they are trained to go after and take out the enemy but to kill the people they took an oath to protect? I don't think I could do it, could you?
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Old 03-30-2012, 03:42 AM
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I was watching a great video Inside Zero Hour about 9/11. There was a part talking about how the fighter planes were given the order to take down any planes that didn't comply.

I cant imagine what just getting the order from the White House to take down a plane with hundreds of innocent men, women and children in an effort to save thousands. I can't imagine having to actually go through with it. Yea sure they are trained to go after and take out the enemy but to kill the people they took an oath to protect? I don't think I could do it, could you?
Yes. And I think that you could too.

English and American Bomber pilots did just this sort of thing bombing cities in Europe and Japan in WWII.

Similar young men sprayed flaming napalm on soldiers that they knew to be involuntary conscripts many times in the last century.

Educated, sophisticated Germans and Japanese took to genocide and aggressive war with hardly a fuss.

Things like compassion and mercy are easily overcome. That's one of the chief reasons that they must be valued and praised. Most folks never grasp what thin things culture, civilization, and enlightenment are.
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I was watching a great video Inside Zero Hour about 9/11. There was a part talking about how the fighter planes were given the order to take down any planes that didn't comply.

I cant imagine what just getting the order from the White House to take down a plane with hundreds of innocent men, women and children in an effort to save thousands. I can't imagine having to actually go through with it. Yea sure they are trained to go after and take out the enemy but to kill the people they took an oath to protect? I don't think I could do it, could you?
Yes but later I might be messed up.
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I was watching a great video Inside Zero Hour about 9/11. There was a part talking about how the fighter planes were given the order to take down any planes that didn't comply.

I cant imagine what just getting the order from the White House to take down a plane with hundreds of innocent men, women and children in an effort to save thousands. I can't imagine having to actually go through with it. Yea sure they are trained to go after and take out the enemy but to kill the people they took an oath to protect? I don't think I could do it, could you?
Yes, I would. That's why I would not be a fighter pilot. Is this leading to a question about our troops firing upon Americans in the case of an order from the current White House tenant?
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Yes. And I think that you could too.

English and American Bomber pilots did just this sort of thing bombing cities in Europe and Japan in WWII.

Similar young men sprayed flaming napalm on soldiers that they knew to be involuntary conscripts many times in the last century.

Educated, sophisticated Germans and Japanese took to genocide and aggressive war with hardly a fuss.

Things like compassion and mercy are easily overcome. That's one of the chief reasons that they must be valued and praised. Most folks never grasp what thin things culture, civilization, and enlightenment are.
Honestly, I don't think I could and I will give you an example why. My partner at work and I attempted to take a tweaker into custody for over $200.00 in theft from the store. We did everything by the book and didn't even use as much force as we could have getting him handcuffed. During the approximately five minutes we wrestled with him to get him into custody he dumped just under a pound of what appeared to be granulated sugar which I recognized immediately as Crystal Meth (If you've ever attempted to take down someone who is spun then you know it's not a pleasurable experience as they have a ton of strength and it usually takes two or three people to put them down.)

We got him back to the office, of course he was still trying to yell and run away. The cops finally got there and they were interviewing him and testing the powder etc. about five minutes later the guy falls over and dies in their custody right in front of me. I uncuffed him and we started CPR.

Needless to say the guy didn't make it and I know in my heart it was nothing we did and it was proven to be nothing we did. Also we learned his criminal background he was a wanted fugitive from another state who jumped parole. His sheet included serious charges Felon in Possession of a Firearm, 2 counts Domestic Battery, Assault on a Police Officer, Copper Theft, Attempting to sell a child for drugs, three counts Felony shoplifting, Burglary, Robbery, posession of a hypodermic needle and numerous drug related offenses. Just to name a few of his convictions.

I still felt and feel like **** and was in tears for weeks after it happened. It still depresses me and I have nightmares on a regular basis where I wake up in a sweat and screaming and other thinns going on I would rather not mention on here as it is pretty embarassing.

Eventhough the guy was a REALLY bad guy and he was attempting to commit several serious crimes it still really hurt me and has me extremly depressed to this day.

That is how I know I couldn't do it if I was given that order.
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I didn't think you could. You care about people to much.
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Yes, I would. That's why I would not be a fighter pilot. Is this leading to a question about our troops firing upon Americans in the case of an order from the current White House tenant?
No, I agree with the order being given but I just couldn't be the one to carry out the order.
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wow that's terrible. I hope you got some therapy afterwards.
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Yes, I could, because failure to do so would cause even more people to die. To not take action to save lives, even when that action means taking lives, is cowardice. There is a balancing point (you don't kill a thousand to save one), but the cold, hard fact is that by taking those lives, you are saving others. When these kind of scenarios occur, it's not like they just call the plane and if they don't get a reponse, they shoot it down. They have a routine that they follow to confirm that there is a problem. Things like close approaches to get the pilot's attention or even very close approaches to confirm that there is someone in the cockpit. They make sure that there really is a problem before they pull the trigger to down the plane and kill those people. My guess is that they also probably try to take steps to force the plane down, things like warning shots, putting a couple of rounds into a non-critical part of the aircraft, etc.
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