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More attacks in order to cover for Rush. You guys are the minority. A really sad petty minority but a minority none the less.
Sorry for thinking for myself and not going along with what a majority thinks after being inundated with propaganda...

I'd be against slavery too if it was a majority held position, and would be proud to be called "the sad minority"...
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Coincidentally, I JUST read this...Nice timing...

A very significant question arises from Fluke and her comments/testimony...

Why hasn't the media FACT-CHECKED them????...

When she says she knows people who pay thousands of dollars a year for birth control, is it TRUE?...Or do they simply ACCEPT it as true because it helps their cause and WANT to believe it irrelevant of its "truth-i-ness"?...

Sandra Fluke: Gee Willickers, No, I Didn't Know Target Sold Birth Control Pills for $9/Month Within 3 Miles of My Broad Ass

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She then disputes the relevance of that.

How?

By asserting, with no citation to any source, that she's "informed" that some people with a conveniently-unnamed "genetic" disease can't take those particular pills (which ones? there are a lot of different types available at that price) but must take pills costing "$1500 per year."

Look, as a blogger, sometimes I, well, I don't make things up, but I pass things along without verification.

If I started telling Jake Tapper or anyone in the media things I'd been "informed of" by unnamed people in my comments, would they take it seriously?

No. They'd ignore it. People tell stories. People's stories tend to be those that push their agenda. Absent verification, they're just stories.

Has Jake Tapper or anyone else in the media checked Fluke's main claim -- that many insurance policies won't cover hormonal therapy when prescribed for medical reasons?

Because that's her big claim -- that while birth control per se might be cheap, some women have rare "genetic" diseases requiring birth control hormones for medical purposes, but insurers won't cover these costs. (These are the only conceivable truly high costs of "birth control.")

And yet, has she named a single policy or provider which maintains this bizarre scheme?

No.

And I asked her on Twitter.

she refused comment.
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More attacks in order to cover for Rush. You guys are the minority. A really sad petty minority but a minority none the less.
Yup. When someone on the right ends up with egg on his face - find anything you can to demonize the victim and minimalize the issue and ignore that fact that it was Rush that MADE it an issue in the first place - not Fluke.
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Update!...Ignorance is a virtue...

Sandra Fluke Says She Didn't Know Target Sells Birth Control Pills for $9

I'm guessing that knocks out about 85% of the people she was "speaking for"...
tomaxifen and sprintec are birth control pills listed in the 30 and 90 day discount.
Any ladies out there know about these birth control pills? are they current?
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Coincidentally, I JUST read this...Nice timing...

A very significant question arises from Fluke and her comments/testimony...

Why hasn't the media FACT-CHECKED them????...

When she says she knows people who pay thousands of dollars a year for birth control, is it TRUE?...Or do they simply ACCEPT it as true because it helps their cause and WANT to believe it irrelevant of its "truth-i-ness"?...

Sandra Fluke: Gee Willickers, No, I Didn't Know Target Sold Birth Control Pills for $9/Month Within 3 Miles of My Broad Ass
There are different kinds of Birth Control "pills" - not one kind, not one size fits all and it's not the cost of "pills" alone that is the issue but the requisite physical exams and doctors visits.


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Doctor Outlines Costs Of Contraception For Those Without Health Insurance
PHILADELPHIA (CBS) - The controversy over contraception being included in health insurance brings an interesting question to the forefront: How much does birth control really cost?

For Thomas Jefferson University Hospital OB GYN Dr. Katie Lackritz, this is a conversation she has with her patients every day and she says cost is the real decisive factor.

“Some of the best birth control we have are the I.U.D’s (intra uterine devices. ) To purchase the device and have it placed in the office if you have no insurance, over $1,000. The Mirena I.U.D. which is another great form of birth control, to purchase the device and have it placed in the office $1100. That is a ton of money.”

Lackritz says the price of the prescription limits often limits what a healthcare provider can prescribe.

Some of the newer birth control pills can be expensive without insurance coverage — $50, $60, $75 a month and they are the ones that have been more researched and are better tolerated.”

Lackritz says bottom line, in her experience, those without insurance have fewer options or can’t afford to take the birth control properly and that results in unplanned pregnancies, which she says has a high cost too.

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First, you’ll need to get a prescription. Visit a Planned Parenthood health center, a clinic, or a private health care provider for a prescription. Your health care provider will discuss your medical history with you, check your blood pressure, and give you any other medical exam that you may need. If you need an exam, it may cost about $35–$250.

Birth control pills may be purchased with a prescription at a drugstore or clinic. They cost about $15–$50 a month.
Getting a prescription for birth control pills usually requires a pelvic exam each year and - without insurance or PP (which these same critics want to eliminate) the cost can be pretty high for a student.

So, let's talk about FACTCHECKING why don't we - starting with the claim that Sandra Fluke is wrong?
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Yup. When someone on the right ends up with egg on his face - find anything you can to demonize the victim and minimalize the issue and ignore that fact that it was Rush that MADE it an issue in the first place - not Fluke.
That is all it is. It's also the boy who cried wolf syndrom. They attack everything so often and without cause that nobody buys their crap if there really was a wolf.
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Well...

First off...let's look at the title of the article:

Sandra Fluke, a Self-Described Professional Pro-Abortion Activist

Now granted, the group that wrote this article is, in their words:
LifeNews Note: Reprinted with permission from Ethika Politika, the blog of the Center for Morality in Public Life.

That could explain the title that by itself damns her with subtle semantics:
not Pro-Choice but Pro-Abortion (that's kind of like calling Pro-Lifers Anti-Choicers or Pro-Some-Lifers). Then we add "professional activist" - uh oh...not an ordinary citizen but someone who through implication might deserve condemnation.

Words can do amazing things with perception. Nowhere in her resume is it listed she's a "Pro-Abortion" activist or "professional".


Look further at the article:



Agenda? AGENDA? Oh - now we have a pro-contraception "agenda".

Then, we look at this line:
While she’s presented herself in persona a woman suffering because of Georgetown’s policies


How DID she present herself?

According to this article:



How about this claim here:


An education in law is VERY expensive and involves a lot of hard work. One does not do it just to be able to sue. Everything in her background indicates she was headed for a law degree in order to accomplish what she feels passionately about.

But, as for negativity again - that paragraph, through implication -is full ofit.
Subversion? "cut her legal teeth on the school itself"?

And in conclusion:



Not negative?
So they told the truth and that makes it "demonizing". It's all so clear to me now.
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More attacks in order to cover for Rush. You guys are the minority. A really sad petty minority but a minority none the less.
Rush?? The guys a blowhard and his comment was out of line. Now then, care to discuss the subject of this thread or would you like to avoid it some more and talk about something else???
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Are you righties scanning rightwing sites looking for something to attack Fluke on? Seems like you are. Why? The story has nothing to do with Fluke or her views. The story was about Rush calling a young woman a slut and saying he wanted to watch her have sex. Remember?
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Rush?? The guys a blowhard and his comment was out of line. Now then, care to discuss the subject of this thread or would you like to avoid it some more and talk about something else???
The thread is a dodge. It is about covering for Rush. We all get that except you few.
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