Animal officer allegedly drowned kittens - Page 3

Spencer Collins · #21 (**permalink**) 03-21-2008, 04:05 AM

Saltwn,I don't recall ever suggesting "Jail Time" so I will not defend that accusation.I just believe euthanasia to be a better option to drowning the animals...

saltwn · #22 (**permalink**) 03-21-2008, 06:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Spencer Collins

Saltwn,I don't recall ever suggesting "Jail Time" so I will not defend that accusation.I just believe euthanasia to be a better option to drowning the animals...

agreed

fxashun · #23 (**permalink**) 03-21-2008, 08:26 AM

I agree with you Saltwn, this is stupid. It costs how much to house a person in jail? For some free friggin kittens? No friggin way. It's not like he put em in a bag and threw em on the freeway.

This is sick, killing cats is just another thing.

crazyflamingos · #24 (**permalink**) 03-21-2008, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

I began with the colored font, and to distinguish from other posts, I kept the same font/color throughout. I do that rarely. Sorry about you having to down size. Maybe our screens have different resolutions.

As for all who say I am cynical. You are partially correct. About some things yes. Others not so much. Don't forget, most cynics grew up as very sensitive people and then guess what? Life hit them a couple of times and they said am I going to get mowed over and play dead or am I going to buck up and get through this. I am not taking up for this guy who did not do his job. Probably is lazy in other aspects if he performs this task as such.
But really-YES It is (and again this is just my own view) STUPID and WASTEFUL to send someone to prison for drowning a bunch of kittens. I don't know how else to put it. And I am as appalled at the flack about this as you guys are who call him a torturer. It's great that some of you work at an animal shelter. You are part of the solution. As Bob Barker says "Please spay or neuter your pets". I say "Please spay or neuter your pets or they may have to die. And death is not pretty. For one thing mother nature takes care of a lot of over population in the animal kingdom with disease. Another thing that could happen to them is they could be picked up for competition in a fighting ring. Because no human cared for them they may die by accident simply because no human was there in their early years. What do you think should be done to the 50 people who abandoned those kittens?! O.K., let's just say there were 15 people who abandoned in total 50 kittens. Should they be hauled in as accomplices? They neglected their responsibility to those kittens before the animal control people came into the picture. Do you see it never ends. Dog or chicken fighting rings I kinda get, but to get all upset because some guy drowned a bunch of kittens is. I hate to say it because i have a lot of respect for you posters on here, but it's NUTS!! Go save a village somewhere in India. March for unborn children. Volunteer to help AIDS be abolished in our lifetime. Do something USEFUL with your time if you want a cause celebre'. Pffft!

In every post you make, you assume facts that are not in evidence.

NOBODY SAID THE KITTENS WERE ABANDONED!

My assumption would be that they were either surrendered to the proper authorities or were feral. See ? No accomplices!

What I think is STUPID is that any human being fails to see that deliberately causing unnecessary suffering for any living creature is criminal and needs to be punished.

saltwn · #25 (**permalink**) 03-21-2008, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by crazyflamingos

In every post you make, you assume facts that are not in evidence.

NOBODY SAID THE KITTENS WERE ABANDONED!

My assumption would be that they were either surrendered to the proper authorities or were feral. See ? No accomplices!

What I think is STUPID is that any human being fails to see that deliberately causing unnecessary suffering for any living creature is criminal and needs to be punished.

Your assumption may be right about feral kittens. Where does that lead us? Someone abandoned their parents or grandparents. As for people surrendering them to the proper authorities. I can see that happening a few times by some good hearted individuals. But not 50. Not even 15. Because if this shelter is like most I've encountered you have to pay a fee for animals taken to a shelter now days. I had to pay 30 bucks to take a dog a few years ago and she was placed in a good home where the adoptive person also had to pay a fee.
I assume you are calling me stupid since I indicated the same about you.
Call me stupid. But I do see that it is wrong to cause unnecessary suffering in any living creature. I just don't see that this instance warrants jail time.
You are a tender hearted person and I respect you for your views.
Otherwise

crazyflamingos · #26 (**permalink**) 03-21-2008, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

Your assumption may be right about feral kittens. Where does that lead us? Someone abandoned their parents or grandparents. As for people surrendering them to the proper authorities. I can see that happening a few times by some good hearted individuals. But not 50. Not even 15. Because if this shelter is like most I've encountered you have to pay a fee for animals taken to a shelter now days. I had to pay 30 bucks to take a dog a few years ago and she was placed in a good home where the adoptive person also had to pay a fee.
I assume you are calling me stupid since I indicated the same about you.
Call me stupid. But I do see that it is wrong to cause unnecessary suffering in any living creature. I just don't see that this instance warrants jail time.
You are a tender hearted person and I respect you for your views.
Otherwise

My local animal-shelter/pound has in excess of 2000 animals (dogs and cats) voluntarily surrendered every year. They service an area approximately 3 times the population of the town in the article and when I was working there, it was not unusual to have 50 kittens surrendered in a single month in the spring. The last figures I saw published were for 2004 and over 800 cats (including kittens) were voluntarily surrendered that year.

And Animal Control charges no fees for animals that are surrendered by residents of its service area. As a matter of fact, I know of no shelter in my area that charges a fee for surrender of animals from within their service areas.

And all feral cats are not abandoned. Of course some of them are. But cats also run away or get lost in any number of ways.

Again, you want to assume facts not in evidence.

fxashun · #27 (**permalink**) 03-21-2008, 10:11 AM

Now we are seeing why we have all these new fangled mouse traps when the good old fashioned metal bar across the neck worked just fine. It's not like he put em in a microwave or doused them with gasoline. And making the stretch to "he might do it to a human" is simply comical. You think he is dangerous, what do you think of the veterans coming back from Iraq where they better do it to a human before a human does it to them? This whole thread is dumb.

crazyflamingos · #28 (**permalink**) 03-21-2008, 11:57 AM

There is a definite link between violence against animals and violence against humans. Ask any social worker, any psychologist, any cop, any Animal Control officer and they will tell you that the two go hand in hand most of the time.

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Understanding The Link® Between Animal Abuse and Family Violence

What Is The Link?

A correlation between animal abuse, family violence and other forms of community violence has been established. Child and animal protection professionals have recognized this link, noting that abuse of both children and animals is connected in a self-perpetuating cycle of violence. When animals in a home are abused or neglected, it is a warning sign that others in the household may not be safe. In addition, children who witness animal abuse are at a greater risk of becoming abusers themselves.

How Serious Is It?

A survey of pet-owning families with substantiated child abuse and neglect found that animals were abused in 88 percent of homes where child physical abuse was present (DeViney, Dickert, & Lockwood, 1983). A study of women seeking shelter at a safe house showed that 71 percent of those having pets affirmed that their partner had threatened, hurt or killed their companion animals, and 32 percent of mothers reported that their children had hurt or killed their pets (Ascione, 1998). Still another study showed that violent offenders incarcerated in a maximumsecurity prison were significantly more likely than nonviolent offenders to have committed childhood acts of cruelty toward pets (Merz-Perez, Heide, & Silverman, 2001).
American Humane: Newsroom: Fact Sheets: The Link

chuck7251 · #29 (**permalink**) 03-21-2008, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

Evidently you didn't read the article. He was an animal officer. He gets paid to put animals to sleep among other duties. He drowned them instead.
Also I did not see where it said they weren't newborn kittens either.
I ran this by some folks at a coffee shop in Washington ( a pretty liberal state by any standards), and to a man everyone thought it was ridiculous to jail someone for this. About half of them had done it themselves.

Wow, you live in a sick sick world. I am feeling like I would have an easier time drowning the people in your coffee shop than the kittens.

chuck7251 · #30 (**permalink**) 03-21-2008, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by saltwn

I began with the colored font, and to distinguish from other posts, I kept the same font/color throughout. I do that rarely. Sorry about you having to down size. Maybe our screens have different resolutions.

As for all who say I am cynical. You are partially correct. About some things yes. Others not so much. Don't forget, most cynics grew up as very sensitive people and then guess what? Life hit them a couple of times and they said am I going to get mowed over and play dead or am I going to buck up and get through this. I am not taking up for this guy who did not do his job. Probably is lazy in other aspects if he performs this task as such.
But really-YES It is (and again this is just my own view) STUPID and WASTEFUL to send someone to prison for drowning a bunch of kittens. I don't know how else to put it. And I am as appalled at the flack about this as you guys are who call him a torturer. It's great that some of you work at an animal shelter. You are part of the solution. As Bob Barker says "Please spay or neuter your pets". I say "Please spay or neuter your pets or they may have to die. And death is not pretty. For one thing mother nature takes care of a lot of over population in the animal kingdom with disease. Another thing that could happen to them is they could be picked up for competition in a fighting ring. Because no human cared for them they may die by accident simply because no human was there in their early years. What do you think should be done to the 50 people who abandoned those kittens?! O.K., let's just say there were 15 people who abandoned in total 50 kittens. Should they be hauled in as accomplices? They neglected their responsibility to those kittens before the animal control people came into the picture. Do you see it never ends. Dog or chicken fighting rings I kinda get, but to get all upset because some guy drowned a bunch of kittens is. I hate to say it because i have a lot of respect for you posters on here, but it's NUTS!! Go save a village somewhere in India. March for unborn children. Volunteer to help AIDS be abolished in our lifetime. Do something USEFUL with your time if you want a cause celebre'. Pffft!

YEs, I think that people who just leave animals out on their opwn should be punished... huge fines work. Perhaps put on an island like Survivor, only the last one standing gets to come home... and then pays a huge fine.

BTW, I am Marching for unborn children

thanks for bringing it up. If anyone wants to donate just look at tthe link at the bottom of the message

I have alot of sympathy for caring parents and children. I have alot of sympathy for animals, considering most of the problems they end up with come from shithead adults who decided to be negligent. I have had to put pets down too, that is a FAR cry from someone purposely drowning a bunch of helpless animals when there was an alternative for them to possibly have been raised and adopted. What if instead of drowning them he was stomping them to death? Same results in the end. Maybe he was cutting off their heads with butter knives... they still end up dead.

He could have easily gassed these animals. Drowning is a horrific death... even a newborn kitten has a survival instinct and will struggle to breathe.

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