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Old 10-30-2011, 01:24 PM
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I remember when it started. It was originally a left-wing alternative to the Tea Party, which never took off.
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Who drinks tea anyways? Real Americans drink beer and eat hotdogs.
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I remember when it started. It was originally a left-wing alternative to the Tea Party, which never took off.
From what I remember, it was never left-wing only,they sought members who were frustrated with the system. I'm sure they have many left minded people in their ranks but I know that they also have many Independents who did not agree right down the line with the Tea Party.

In the early days the CP limited their activities to meeting and discussing issues in book stores and coffee houses. Then it went to Facebook and finally,they had their own website. When the CP saw how the OWS group captured the media,their spirit was renewed and I've seen their surrogates on C-SPAN more than once. The CP and OWS have much in common and I'm sure they want to catch a ride with them. The difference between them has been confined to different tactics. The CP was not nearly as vocal and to my knowledge,in the early days,they didn't stage demonstrations like OWS.

Since they share some common goals,it wouldn't surprise me to see them merge but many CP members would not approve of all OWS tactics.

Both the CP and the OWS are relatively new organizations. I'm sure the TP made a few mistakes in the beginning and had some serious disagreements like - should the Tea Party start a political party? I believe they chose not to do that as it would divide the GOP. I support much of what the Tea Party stands for but I am so pleased to see the Tea Party - OWS and CP,speaking about solutions and becoming active. When the OWS group in my area was ordered to disperse from a park that didn't permit overnight camping..they calmly complied with the order. A church offered them their property for camping and OWS accepted. They didn't seem too radical to me but this was in highly conservative western Michigan.

As long as the Coffee Party desires to meet and discuss solutions and find legal ways to promote their ideas, I am with them..
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I am glad to see another party that has some serious intent. I may not agree with what they are about, but they have a focus, and the more groups we get that have a focus, be it from the left or the right, the more likely we are to find solutions, rather than having everybody screaming at each other because they think right or left.

I have yet to see a cohesive focus from the OWS, to say nothing of the condition of their encampments. I can appreciate their frustration, but do not agree with what they view as the solution.
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An open apology to the GottaGo girl


In all my zest to express my disdain for the "bagger nation", I may not have been to clear in putting things in perspective, that there is a Tea Party faction out there that is every bit as good as Coffee and OWS. And the reason for this goodness, is because its the same good in all party's. What happened with a certain part of the Tea Party, was that it got co-opted by the Koch Brothers, Fox and heavy players in business that altered its message and mission, to the masses, by making it more Wall Street friendly.

The following is an open letter from one of the original Tea Party organizers, Irving Wesley Hall, speaking about the Tea Party mission that you don't hear in the media...

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By Irving Wesley Hall

I encourage my fellow Tea Partiers to reach out to their neighbors in Occupy Wall Street. We’re on the same side.

Supporters of the Norwich and Otsego County Tea Parties [in central New York] will remember me. In 2009, we hit the streets together over shared outrage at the bipartisan $800 billion taxpayer bailout of Wall Street. I presented the Memorial Day keynote address from the grandstand in Norwich’s community park

The following Independence Day I mounted the hay wagon in front of Losie’s Gun Shop on Route 23 in Oneonta to address the Otsego Tea Party about taking back America. The Oneonta, New York, Daily Star published my speech as “What’s Good for GM Is Now Good for China.” As a member of the Southern Tier Tea Party in Binghamton I made a similar presentation in 2011.

My point was simple. The problem is not big federal government but Wall Street’s financial stranglehold on our government.

I compared the power of the East India Company of Boston Tea Party fame to Goldman Sachs today, although the former at least profited from tea, while today’s investment bankers profit primarily off other people’s money.

In the cold winter of 1773 our patriots attacked the ships of the East India Company because, like Goldman Sachs today, it was a transnational monopoly that avoided taxes. How? King George III was a shareholder.

I described how — over the last 40 years — Wall Street destroyed America’s industrial heartland, sent our jobs abroad, decimated unions, and flat-lined wages. Speculators relentlessly drove up prices for our food, housing, fuel and medical care.

Despite this cruel profiteering, folks in Central New York still believed in the American Dream. We worked hard, sacrificed and saved our dollars, but Wall Street stole our savings and pensions through the 401(k) scam.

We worked even harder but were forced to borrow and mortgage for our kids’ educations, medical bills and, often, basic necessities. Then Wall Street ripped us off again with the subprime mortgage scam, credit card rip-offs and college loan racket.

They’re sucking the life out of us — young, old and in-between.

I warned my fellow Tea Partiers that soon we elders would have nothing left but Social Security and Medicare. However, I could not have predicted in 2009 that “we” would “win” the 2010 election and Fox News would feature so-called “Tea Party” Republicans trying to help Wall Street scam Social Security and destroy Medicare, too.

Where did all our money go? The total aggregate wealth in the U.S. is around $75 trillion. The top 1 percent own roughly 40 percent of that amount. The remaining 60 percent is shared unequally among the other 300 million of us.

Did you know that the average Bush-Obama tax cut for one of the richest 1 percent was greater than the average annual income of one of the remaining 99 percent? The nominal value of all Wall Street derivatives contracts is $600 trillion.

Yet Fox’s callused “Tea Party” Republicans have the nerve to demand that we starve our elderly poor to rescue our desperate flood victims!

I warned my Tea Party neighbors in 2009 that Fox News was not a reliable source of information. Most of the corporate media represent the interests and views of Wall Street. Bank and corporate directorates are interlocked. But Fox pushed an extreme agenda on the Tea Party — tragically with success.

Within months of our first non-partisan protests Rupert Murdoch’s empire sucked our national Tea Party right into the Republican Party billionaires’ machine. Today Fox picks the six-figure- income national Tea Party “spokespeople” to defend Wall Street in our name. Nobody interviews us.

We may be advanced in years, but have we lost all memory?
So you were right GottaGo girl, there was a Tea Party out there that I wasn't seeing, or did and just didn't notice. And yes, I do support them.

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In all my zest to express my disdain for the "bagger nation", I may not have been to clear in putting things in perspective, that there is a Tea Party faction out there that is every bit as good as Coffee and OWS. And the reason for this goodness, is because its the same good in all party's. What happened with a certain part of the Tea Party, was that it got co-opted by the Koch Brothers, Fox and heavy players in business that altered its message and mission, to the masses, by making it more Wall Street friendly.

The following is an open letter from one of the original Tea Party organizers, Irving Wesley Hall, speaking about the Tea Party mission that you don't hear in the media...

So you were right GottaGo girl, there was a Tea Party out there that I wasn't seeing, or did and just didn't notice. And yes, I do support them.

Now, what are you wearing?
Wow. Musta been something I ate, I'm hallucinating. I thought I just saw Billo say something about supporting the (original) Tea Party.

What am I wearing? A grin!

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From what I remember, it was never left-wing only,they sought members who were frustrated with the system. I'm sure they have many left minded people in their ranks but I know that they also have many Independents who did not agree right down the line with the Tea Party.

In the early days the CP limited their activities to meeting and discussing issues in book stores and coffee houses. Then it went to Facebook and finally,they had their own website. When the CP saw how the OWS group captured the media,their spirit was renewed and I've seen their surrogates on C-SPAN more than once. The CP and OWS have much in common and I'm sure they want to catch a ride with them. The difference between them has been confined to different tactics. The CP was not nearly as vocal and to my knowledge,in the early days,they didn't stage demonstrations like OWS.

Since they share some common goals,it wouldn't surprise me to see them merge but many CP members would not approve of all OWS tactics.

Both the CP and the OWS are relatively new organizations. I'm sure the TP made a few mistakes in the beginning and had some serious disagreements like - should the Tea Party start a political party? I believe they chose not to do that as it would divide the GOP. I support much of what the Tea Party stands for but I am so pleased to see the Tea Party - OWS and CP,speaking about solutions and becoming active. When the OWS group in my area was ordered to disperse from a park that didn't permit overnight camping..they calmly complied with the order. A church offered them their property for camping and OWS accepted. They didn't seem too radical to me but this was in highly conservative western Michigan.

As long as the Coffee Party desires to meet and discuss solutions and find legal ways to promote their ideas, I am with them..
what. Ever. She started it in response to the Tea Party. She admitted as much when she first set it up and it was a total flop.
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what. Ever. She started it in response to the Tea Party. She admitted as much when she first set it up and it was a total flop.
Anytime you get people thinking about......

1. Campaign finance reform
2. Wall Street reform
3. Tax code reform

It's never a total flop..
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Anytime you get people thinking about......

1. Campaign finance reform
2. Wall Street reform
3. Tax code reform

It's never a total flop..
Abolutely.


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