no, it's not. Not in the slightest. Saying "If xyz is true, then that sucks" presumes absolutely nothing at all. Saying "When did you stop beating your wife?" presumes that the subject of the question was beating their wife.

So, not even remotely the same.

If Obama runs and loses the election, I will be happy.
If Palin runs and wins the election, I will be sad.

Neither of these statements presume anything at all. Neither are accusatory.

If Obama is not a natural born citizen, I wouldn't give a ****.

That doesn't presume anything either. And, it's not accusatory. It's conditional.

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Your first examples are not falsifiable as they speculate on the future. That truly is an "if" statement. Your last example is falsifiable. It's invalid because there is no possibility of "if". It's false. The same applies with Bodo's "if" statement. It's false yet he presents it as possible. It's dishonest and fallacious.

Nope, not dishonest and fallacious at all. Simply conditional.

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If he knew it wasn't true, then it was dishonest.

No, there's nothing dishonest about it at all. She was expressing her true feelings on the matter. That's not dishonest.

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It would be dishonest because she introduced the falsehood.

It's like saying, "If Bodo steals elementary school kid's lunches, then I would be upset." It's absurd to express an opinion about something that isn't true but paints someone in a negative light by suggesting it's possibly true.

No, she introduced a condition to her opinion.

No, it's not absurd in the slightest. It's a conditional statement that doesn't paint anyone in a negative light at all.

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For the record, I have a Y-Chromosome.

If I didn't have one, I'd be a girl.

Why does it paint me in a bad light? If anything it reflect on you, not me.

This whole thing is absurd. Keep on truckin' though.

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