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Old 09-03-2011, 04:00 AM
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Default 3 charts to prove the right wing spending lie!

Not long ago, Mikeyy started a thread asking if Obama has spent this country into oblivian, like the right has been saying for the past year, what did he spend the money on? Well, none of the right-wingers could answer that question. Which makes one wonder if all this talk about Obama's spending,
is just another big neo con!

I mean, if he was spending tax dollars like crazy, it shouldn't be too hard to state what he spent it on. However, since none of them could answer that simple question, the logical conclusion would be that their spending rap was completely FOS.

Now here's the proof it was.

The following charts show the right is lying about Obama's spending, deficit and jobs.

Chart 1: Obama's spending doesn't even come close to Bush43.




Chart 2: Obama actually reduced the deficit more than Bush.




Chart 3: Obama created more jobs than Bush.




The facts don't lie. Read'em and weep, right wing liars!
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Old 09-03-2011, 04:11 AM
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Well this is fun. I was just watching a video of the third one being debunked before I came here.

This one...



Here's the vid where the guy shows why that chart is laughable.


I didn't really look at the other two too close, cause it's getting late. Hope they're better than that one.
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Well this is fun. I was just watching a video of the third one being debunked before I came here.

This one...



Here's the vid where the guy shows why that chart is laughable.

I Hate This Chart! - YouTube

I didn't really look at the other two too close, cause it's getting late. Hope they're better than that one.
C'mon ID, you're slippin'!

You used to be so much better. Now, I think you've lost your focus. Or maybe it really was late and you were really tired. Billo really tired. Or maybe I just put you on an un-deserved pedestal before and now I must make a "market correction", so to speak.

I had to watch your little 3 minute video about 3-4 times just to understand what your book-selling expert was saying because he talked so fast. Once I got the jist of his argument, I could see why he sped up his speech (half of which, he spent selling his book).

His basic argument is couched yet in another metaphor describing how the job loss and employment totals are derived by the government. He infers the government is double-counting and that if their job loss numbers were correct, they would exceed the total number of people employed.

This is nothing but right-wing double-speak. He doesn't explain why he thinks the government double-counts or what were the premises from which he drew that conclusion. He, like many on the right, just state this BS as if it was true, then continues on as if he's proven his point.

If what he was claiming was true, then he would be able to explain the numbers without the use of metaphor's. I'll give you an example...

This is how the Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates the number of employed:
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Employment estimates are adjusted annually to a complete count of jobs, called benchmarks, derived principally from tax reports that are submitted by employers who are covered under state unemployment insurance (UI) laws.
You see, it's pretty simple, basic stuff. No metaphor's; no rocket science; no "...let's say you have 100 people total employment...", etc. Furthermore, if you go to their website, you will see that they constantly revise their numbers at the end of each year for more accuracy as they compute the raw data that is collected.

I'm sorry, no debunking occured this time, my friend.

But hey, try again, maybe your luck will change!
(I'm counting on you to make a better showing after you've had more sleep)
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Now post the same graphs but put the blame where it belongs - with Congress. Then lets look at the response by the people - Dems. - more (MUCH more) of the same, Reps. - throw out the spendaholics and lets see if we can get some better people in place. OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN I point this out to you, yet you still don't get it. It's not about who was in the WH, it's who is in Congress and it's not about what happened but about what the response was. The Left wants to lay blame, the Right wants to solve the problem (that's referring to the People, not the politicians). Show me where the Left has supported changing the way things are done in order to improve this nation's situation. All I've seen is MORE spending and MORE taking and MORE regulation strangling our economy. The left keeps suporting the same failed policies that got us here, while the right is at least trying to change things.
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Now post the same graphs but put the blame where it belongs - with Congress. Then lets look at the response by the people - Dems. - more (MUCH more) of the same, Reps. - throw out the spendaholics and lets see if we can get some better people in place. OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN I point this out to you, yet you still don't get it. It's not about who was in the WH, it's who is in Congress and it's not about what happened but about what the response was. The Left wants to lay blame, the Right wants to solve the problem (that's referring to the People, not the politicians). Show me where the Left has supported changing the way things are done in order to improve this nation's situation. All I've seen is MORE spending and MORE taking and MORE regulation strangling our economy. The left keeps suporting the same failed policies that got us here, while the right is at least trying to change things.
I've tried to explain numerous times to Billo that it is congress that controls the spending, not the president. He just can't seem to grasp that reality.
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Interesting charts Billio but to get the lines in 1 & 2 to break the way you want requires belief in illusory future Federal spending cuts, that the Obama administration was incapable of cutting spending for FY09 and that Obama was not responsible for spending repaid Tarp $. As comforting as this might be to Billio, none of these beliefs is true.

The truth is the Obama Administration is incapable of producing a budget. So, how we are supposed to believe there will be cuts in future budgets is beyond credible.
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There's charts, and there's charts, aren't there. Here's the partisan left wing chart Billo found on the deficit.




Here's a partisan right wing chart on the deficit I see all the time at Gateway Pundit.



Here's something I know without having to look at a chart. The economy sucks right now. It's been sucking worse and worse, noticeably at street level, since 2007. Let's see...what happened in 2007? I'm trying to remember. Help me out Allan, and Faithful Servant.

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Interesting charts Billio but to get the lines in 1 & 2 to break the way you want...
How do you know what I want? I haven't stated my personal feelings on this matter, so how is it that you know?

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...requires belief in illusory future Federal spending cuts,
Without getting into the relevence of what the "belief" requires, I'll just say you cannot claim something, that has not occured, as a fact today.

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...that the Obama administration was incapable of cutting spending for FY09
The raw data clearly shows he did cut spending. But since you claim otherwise, what did he spend it on?

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...and that Obama was not responsible for spending repaid Tarp $.
Huh? WTF does that mean?

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As comforting as this might be to Billio, none of these beliefs is true.
You can do better than these grade-school, strawman arguments.

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The truth is the Obama Administration is incapable of producing a budget.
Not with the current republican party who actively derail the democratic process.

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So, how we are supposed to believe there will be cuts in future budgets is beyond credible.
You first need to get your argument credible, before we start talking about what is beyond.
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Now post the same graphs but put the blame where it belongs - with Congress. Then lets look at the response by the people - Dems. - more (MUCH more) of the same, Reps. - throw out the spendaholics and lets see if we can get some better people in place. OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN I point this out to you, yet you still don't get it. It's not about who was in the WH, it's who is in Congress and it's not about what happened but about what the response was. The Left wants to lay blame, the Right wants to solve the problem (that's referring to the People, not the politicians). Show me where the Left has supported changing the way things are done in order to improve this nation's situation. All I've seen is MORE spending and MORE taking and MORE regulation strangling our economy. The left keeps suporting the same failed policies that got us here, while the right is at least trying to change things.
54% of the country blame Bush and the republican's for the economic mess we are in today, which those graphs do more than confirm.
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I've tried to explain numerous times to Billo that it is congress that controls the spending, not the president. He just can't seem to grasp that reality.
And you're nothing but a f_cking little internet troll who goes around playing word games and launching into smear campaigns, because you're un-willing to explain your point to others.
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