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JUNEAU, Alaska, Feb. 2 (UPI) -- Alaska is one of 12 U.S. states considering making salvia, a potent natural hallucinogen which is a species of sage, illegal.

The hallucinogenic salvia divinorum is not banned by the federal Controlled Substances Act and is only illegal in six states, The Anchorage (Alaska) Daily News reported Saturday.

Republican state Sen. Gene Therriault, who said the substance's effects are dangerously powerful and similar to LSD, has been the heading the charge to ban it in Alaska

A user said the drug made her and her boyfriend "melt to the wall," the newspaper said.

"The jury's still out because there's not been a lot of study. But whenever there's uncertainty with a substance of this potency, there's a need to prevent injuries," said Therriault's legislative aide, Dave Stancliff.
There must not be alot of this stuff around...i would suspect beaucoup dollars if it made it's way to the lower 48...
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There must not be alot of this stuff around...i would suspect beaucoup dollars if it made it's way to the lower 48...
You can order it over the internet. They say they want to prevent harm, but the thing has been around for thousands (or millions) of years, and humans have been using it ever since they learned to make fire.

I think they just can't stand the thought of people having fun on something besides television, religion or shopping.
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There must not be alot of this stuff around...i would suspect beaucoup dollars if it made it's way to the lower 48...
I haven't grown Salvia divinorum, but have never had any trouble at all propagating any of the other 20 or 30 species I've grown. Thay all germinated from seed quite readily (chia as in chia pet is a type of salvia), and cuttings come quite easily, too. In fact, the entire labiatae family seems to follow suit.

I would think an enterprizing young horticulturalist might make a killing.
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There must not be alot of this stuff around...i would suspect beaucoup dollars if it made it's way to the lower 48...
I think it is already here. I did an eBay search.

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209 items found for: Salvia Divinorum

I clicked on a few items and found that the sellers were located in various states -- Georgia, Texas, California -- and Mexico.

I may be wrong but I believe that this variety of sage is widely used by Southwestern Native Americans for religious ceremonies, healing & meditation.
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I may be wrong but I believe that this variety of sage is widely used by Southwestern Native Americans for religious ceremonies, healing & meditation.

No, you are correct Sis. It's used for a variety of spiritual/religious purposes as you mentioned. Although my personal recommendation is that anyone considering experimenting with it, really need to research about this particular plant and learn about it's appropriate useages and potential risks.
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No, you are correct Sis. It's used for a variety of spiritual/religious purposes as you mentioned. Although my personal recommendation is that anyone considering experimenting with it, really need to research about this particular plant and learn about it's appropriate useages and potential risks.

Ali, you are very knowledgeable about this things so you may can answer this question. Isn't sage even one of the "incense" varieties used in the Catholic church?

And, if so, is it of the hallucinogenic variety?

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Ali, you are very knowledgeable about this things so you may can answer this question. Isn't sage even one of the "incense" varieties used in the Catholic church?

And, if so, is it of the hallucinogenic variety?

I know a bit about plants/herbs. Just a bit, mind ya.

Sage oil and incense are used in many of their cleansing/banishing/purifying rituals...But the Catholic church usually uses white sage, similar to what's used in smudging sticks.

The Catholic Church considers white sage, sweet grass, cedar, and rose to be the 4 sacred herbs for burning/annointing. Other holy herbs are frankincense, myrhh, salt, and rosemary.

Out of all the sage varieties, white sage is the least hullinogenic one and the reason it's used in food preperation as well as being used in herbal medicines.
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Salvia is a popular garden plant. You can buy it in those 6-paks of young plants. So, if I see my wild neighbors in my garden smoking my plants, I'll know what is happening.

If they are saying Sage is hallucinogenic, it grows wild all over the place. The burning of Sage like incense has been a tradition for for many Native American tribes. The use of Red Willow Bark is also used, and it contains the equivalent of aspirin. That is a main ingredient in "peace pipe" smoking.
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Salvia is a popular garden plant. You can buy it in those 6-paks of young plants. So, if I see my wild neighbors in my garden smoking my plants, I'll know what is happening.

If they are saying Sage is hallucinogenic, it grows wild all over the place. The burning of Sage like incense has been a tradition for for many Native American tribes. The use of Red Willow Bark is also used, and it contains the equivalent of aspirin. That is a main ingredient in "peace pipe" smoking.
The ones sold in six packs are Salvia farinacea "Victoria", and are of a different species than the one in question. There are many different native sages, but one of the most common is Salvia clevlandii -- at least if you are in the west. It's VERY aromatic.
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The Catholic Church considers white sage, sweet grass, cedar, and rose to be the 4 sacred herbs for burning/annointing. Other holy herbs are frankincense, myrhh, salt, and rosemary.
Really? How pagan-sounding of them. Then again, so much of what we know as Christianity today was adapted from pagan rituals.
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