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Old 06-27-2011, 10:50 AM
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The government is essentially stamping the corp with their seal of approval, which imo, is a really dicey road to go down. The government of a country whose founding principles center around individual rights to free speech and privacy should not endorse or legitimize a corporation whose purpose is to scrutinize speech for the use of a database used in reporting for employers. From the article:



Imo, the government is legitimizing suppression of free speech without coming out and actually having to legislate anything.
Free speech isn't being suppressed at all. It's just that it's entirely possible that what you say publicly could have repercussions. This is nothing new.
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Look.
I realize there is an irresistible urge to bash Obama...
ODS is strong in some people. I get that.

But could you at least UNDERSTAND THE SITUATION before you do so?

I thought one thing about the right is "power to the employers" mentality.
The employer should have more power to hire and fire AS THEY SEE FIT.
And here we see this technology getting bashed, when all it does is LEGALLY look at what people have done on the internet.
That's it.

I see not even a hint of a law being violated here, but AUTOMATICALLY (and without even questioning how some of this is already in line with right-wing ideology), an attempt to bash Obama over this.
No matter who was in the WH, my sentiments would be exactly the same. I don't give a rat's ass who is in the driver's seat. I give a huge rat's ass about what is happening in the country when people start feeling like they had better not say what they think because some database company might be watching you, and the government appears to endorse that, and you might be screwed when trying to get a job just because you don't tow the majority line.
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I'm not sure what the govt has to do with this.

And, if you don't want something you've said to be used against you... then don't say it.
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Free speech isn't being suppressed at all. It's just that it's entirely possible that what you say publicly could have repercussions. This is nothing new.
Keep you mouth shut if you know what's good for ya.
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The government is essentially stamping the corp with their seal of approval, which imo, is a really dicey road to go down. The government of a country whose founding principles center around individual rights to free speech and privacy should not endorse or legitimize a corporation whose purpose is to scrutinize speech for the use of a database used in reporting for employers. From the article:


Imo, the government is legitimizing suppression of free speech without coming out and actually having to legislate anything.
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and this also gives them another company to use to illegally scrutinize "suspects". What's to stop the any local-state-fed law enforcement or agency from hiring the firm, "just to check" on a "suspicious" citizens.
there's any number of ways spinning legal justification.

just another arm of big brother.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that, like Facebook, there is some federal government connection, funding or otherwise.


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Keep you mouth shut if you know what's good for ya.
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Where's that at? There's nothing whatsoever about this that inhibits freedom of speech. Nothing.


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It's the FTC.
Probably all they did was verify whether or not this company broke any laws in reviewing an application.
Exactly. It's just a private company selling a service that's completely legal. If the government did NOT allow it, that's when I would take issue. I can't believe that these people are crying about the government actually allowing a private company to engage in completely legal activities and sell their services. Oh the horror of it all.
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No matter who was in the WH, my sentiments would be exactly the same. I don't give a rat's ass who is in the driver's seat. I give a huge rat's ass about what is happening in the country when people start feeling like they had better not say what they think because some database company might be watching you, and the government appears to endorse that, and you might be screwed when trying to get a job just because you don't tow the majority line.
The government isn't endorsing anything. They're simply allowing a private company to engage in completely legal activities and sell a legal service.

If people have an issue with other people knowing what they say publicly, then perhaps those people shouldn't say things publicly.
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I think it's a fine line between what's considered private and what is not now that the internet is a constant means of communication. Is it really all that public when the conversation is had between acquaintances from the privacy of one's own living room? Of course the medium is difference, but the intent and audience may be within a closed group. Facebook, for instance, is theoretically a conversation between friends. If the highest security settings are on, then clearly, and conversation there was not meant to be shared.

Public blogs and the like, I can certainly see being no more private than a published editorial in a newspaper. But some social media really isn't for the public at large.
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I think it's a fine line between what's considered private and what is not now that the internet is a constant means of communication. Is it really all that public when the conversation is had between acquaintances from the privacy of one's own living room? Of course the medium is difference, but the intent and audience may be within a closed group. Facebook, for instance, is theoretically a conversation between friends. If the highest security settings are on, then clearly, and conversation there was not meant to be shared.

Public blogs and the like, I can certainly see being no more private than a published editorial in a newspaper. But some social media really isn't for the public at large.
If the privacy settings are high, then the content isn't searchable. So, the tool they are using wouldn't be able to obtain it.
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If the privacy settings are high, then the content isn't searchable. So, the tool they are using wouldn't be able to obtain it.
Our firm recently dealt with a case of an employer entering fake friend requests to get information on employees that were already working for them. I think shady practices like that should be illegal.
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Our firm recently dealt with a case of an employer entering fake friend requests to get information on employees that were already working for them. I think shady practices like that should be illegal.
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Why?
There's this principle in labor law called "clean hands". The employer has an obligation to the employee to keep their dealings upfront. Because there is a monetary transaction going on between the employee and the employer, there are restrictions on fraudulent practices from both sides. The employer cannot represent itself as being something other than what it is and entrap the employee into an unprofessional situation because it is expected that the rules of conduct between the employer and employee are different than those of the private lives of both. Likewise, the employee cannot fraudulently present himself as having qualifications or experience that he does not have. The employer pretending to be unaffiliated with the "organization" for the purposes of gathering private information on the employee outside the professional setting is a fraudulent practice. It's why you sign consent forms for background checks, etc, and those forms state explicitly what information is going to be gathered and what its intended use is.

The employee/employer relationship is not an automatic dismissal of the employee's right to privacy.
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