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I think salt's point was more simple and direct than that. The thread started out criticizing the gov. for loaning money we can't afford And to add insult to injury, to a foreign oil company. Since the IN-EX bank doesn't loan money to US companies on US soil, you need to look on the bright side and consider how many US jobs it will create via the IN-EX doing their job.
It would probably be better if Salty were to address the matter herself, as I cannot say with any certainty that this is what she meant.

If it is, however, it is certainly a rather convoluted defense of our refusal to drill for oil domestically...
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It would probably be better if Salty were to address the matter herself, as I cannot say with any certainty that this is what she meant.

If it is, however, it is certainly a rather convoluted defense of our refusal to drill for oil domestically...
As I've pointed out in this thread, (with accompanying links) that simply isn't true.

And...the article in the OP is about IM-EX doing it's job and creating jobs, which it is doing. Any other discussion regarding domestic drilling is a different subject all together.
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As I've pointed out in this thread, (with accompanying links) that simply isn't true.
Well, we certainly never have gotten off the dime, and begun drilling in ANWR; even though polls consistently show that most Alaskans are in favor of the idea.

And ever since the BP debacle of a year ago, President Obama has had the requisite fig leaf for allowing him to slow down offshore drilling also...
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We've spent much more than that on the Drug war in Columbia.
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Well, we certainly never have gotten off the dime, and begun drilling in ANWR; even though polls consistently show that most Alaskans are in favor of the idea.

And ever since the BP debacle of a year ago, President Obama has had the requisite fig leaf for allowing him to slow down offshore drilling also...
Perhaps not ANWR, but as the articles shows, he has been willing to open up other area's for exploration and drilling that no other president has. And after what happened in the Gulf last year, don't you think it is prudent to slow things down and make sure the technology exists and companies are equipped to prevent such an environmental disaster from happening again?
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Perhaps not ANWR...
No, definitely not ANWR...

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...but as the articles shows, he has been willing to open up other area's for exploration and drilling that no other president has.
Are you suggesting that President Obama has supported offshore drilling in the US more enthusiastically than any "other [American] president has"?

Because, if that is your implication, it is just downright ludicrous...

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And after what happened in the Gulf last year, don't you think it is prudent to slow things down and make sure the technology exists and companies are equipped to prevent such an environmental disaster from happening again?
I believe that "what happened in the Gulf last year" has merely provided a pretext for the left to oppose drilling in the US, thereby acceleration the timetable for the exhaustion of worldwide oil resoruces.

And that President Obama, post-BP oil spill, is merely genuflecting to his left-wing base, which he needs to fire up for his 2012 re-election bid...
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No, definitely not ANWR...



Are you suggesting that President Obama has supported offshore drilling in the US more enthusiastically than any "other [American] president has"?

Because, if that is your implication, it is just downright ludicrous...



I believe that "what happened in the Gulf last year" has merely provided a pretext for the left to oppose drilling in the US, thereby acceleration the timetable for the exhaustion of worldwide oil resoruces.

And that President Obama, post-BP oil spill, is merely genuflecting to his left-wing base, which he needs to fire up for his 2012 re-election bid...
Enthusiastically is your word, not mine. I simply pointed out in post 15...

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WASHINGTON — The Obama administration is proposing to open vast expanses of water along the Atlantic coastline, the eastern Gulf of Mexico and the north coast of Alaska to oil and natural gas drilling, much of it for the first time, officials said Tuesday.
I don't claim to know his enthusiasm toward wearing a polished pair of shoes, let alone his views of drilling for oil. What has been reported is that he has proposed opening up drilling to areas that no other president has.

And your assumptions about pretexts and genuflection are merely that... assumptions. You're an intelligent guy. You know that as well as anyone. As part of that "base", I'm not catching the vibe you are saying that he's supposed to tossing our way.

I want more drilling. Every lib I know wants more drilling. But do it responsibly and don't depend on it to be the final solution to all our energy problems. More drilling is a stop-gap measure to contain fuel and energy prices until alternative energies can be developed and refined into a cost effective way to fuel America.

This is how I understand the progressive position as well as the presidents. It's not about either/or. We all are aware it will take some time to develop green energies, and aren't so naive as to think we can disregard oil as a necessary commodity right now.
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No...he DIDN'T "get over that whole oil spill thing...

He was ruled he HAD to start doling out the permits BY FORCE OF A JUDGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...

The lawsuit covered a shallow water drilling...the judge ruled on ALL of them...

Judge orders government to take action on drilling applications within 30 days

This isn't Obama turning a new leaf...This is Obama getting his ass handed to him...

THAT is why the permits are going forward now...Not because Obama WANTS them to (He clearly doesn't), but it's because he HAS to...
I will look into this further when my pillow isn't so softly calling me away from the computer. But my initial reaction is, that this is a single company wanting to get 5 shallow water permits expedited. The article I posted was into regard to 10 deep water permits being granted. I'm not sure the two cases are related in any way. I will dig further when the sun comes up and all the Easter eggs are found.
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I will look into this further when my pillow isn't so softly calling me away from the computer. But my initial reaction is, that this is a single company wanting to get 5 shallow water permits expedited. The article I posted was into regard to 10 deep water permits being granted. I'm not sure the two cases are related in any way. I will dig further when the sun comes up and all the Easter eggs are found.
you don't need to "look further"...I specificically, bolded, made red, and increased the font size on what you've just mentioned...It was in the article itself!...

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Feldman further stated that it appears that the government hasn't considered any applications that fell within the scope of the moratorium issued after the April 20 explosion and subsequent oil spill.
ANY applications!...zero...zilch...nil...nada...

And what kind of drilling does the "scope of the moratorium' cover?...

DEEP WATER...
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I don't claim to know [President Obama's] enthusiasm toward wearing a polished pair of shoes, let alone his views of drilling for oil. What has been reported is that he has proposed opening up drilling to areas that no other president has.
The operative word here is "proposed."

Until it actually happens, and free of onerous restrictions that would make drilling impractical, it remains a nullity.

And we are already more than 2 1/4 years into the Obama presidency...

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I want more drilling. Every lib I know wants more drilling. But do it responsibly and don't depend on it to be the final solution to all our energy problems. More drilling is a stop-gap measure to contain fuel and energy prices until alternative energies can be developed and refined into a cost effective way to fuel America.
But far too many in the "Green" movement wish to make all energy expensive now, by just about any means necessary; and therefore ration it, according to the ability to pay greatly increased prices, in a way that Americans never have paid before.

It is part and parcel of the odious doctrine that holds that the common man (and woman) must be directed by The Elite Class to act in a manner that is ultimately in society's (overall) best interest...
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