[SARCASM]Oh no...

Islam will NEVER have their ideology and stagnant culture here is America...

Those fundamentals are just a small and hidden part of their overall image...[/SARCASM]

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Not to rain on your parade or anything redd...Cause I know you just want to believe that this is an 'Islamic' thingy...

But public self-flaggellation isn't a new concept and is also a practice done within a few Christian sects as well...Some followers believe that it's not only a form of pennace, but also sharing in the pain that Christ suffered before his crucifixtion.

Although it's lost popularity in the majority of Christian practices, there are a few fringe groups with strong beliefs by some that it's required to be 'truely Christian' and a means to be closer to 'God' by suffering as his son did.

One such sect was made famous in 'The DaVinci' code for their practicing of self-flaggetion to this day within some of it's orders...The Opis Dei.

So if your'e going to look down your nose at those within Islam that practice this...You also need to sneer down your nose in equal manner at those Christians that believe in this act themselves. Because both practices have small sects that believe in this form of worship.

Oh...There's also some Asian cultures that practice this as well... Not to mention India blood letting, body piercings, public flaggetion, etc. rituals...The belief being that through suffereing, one reaches enlightenment.

There are many cultures and religious beliefs that support and practice spirituality through pain practices. And those traditions are practiced by their believers here in America as well...

Guess you'd have a cow to know about the blood/pain rituals within my own belief system, that although not popular with the majority of practitioners, still has a number of follwers that do believe it's an essential part to walking their spiritual paths. And to verying degrees, is observed and practiced today in the good ole' USofA...ROTFLMAOL!

Ahh yes!...

The standard practice rears it's head early...

Why the whitewash?...Why mention stagnant behavior by pointing out more stagnant behavior?...

I can see you as a defense attorney for Jeffrey Dahmer...

"Well he's NOT Charles Manson!"...

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Who's whitewashing anything? You seem to have a problem that as an Islamic believer, he's doing such a thing to himself...Yet I've given you several examples of non-Islamics, including Christians, that do the same thing as a part of their beliefs...

But you want to attach more importance/critism on his actions cause he's Islamic. When what him or his fellow believers do, is no less or no worse then what anyone else of a different faith do themselves or have practioners within their faiths that believe in such practices...You want to paint all of Islam as 'evil and bad' because of one small groups actions...

I'm simply saying, if you're going to be critical and harsh on his practices, then you should equally apply it to those within your own faith and not treat it as 'see, that's what all of them do and it's BAAAADDDD belief system but although I dont' like it in mine, it's not nearly as bad as that Islamic dude'.

In otherwords, for those Christians that do it...Then all Christians must be equally held to blame as you are holding this fellow's actions as equal blame on all Islamic practitioner shoulders...

You can't have it both ways redd. You can't condemn one group while excusing another group's same actions.

Otherwise, and I hate to say this but...You just come off as hypocritical and a bigot when you attach more 'evil and baaad' to his actions without considering that it's not just a 'Islamic' going on. I don't belive you are such...But you limit your critism and judgement on groups you dislike while ignoring or excusing the same actions within groups you do like.

You have Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, African, Jewish, Native American, and Pagan traditions that embrace that same ideology and practice themselves...So if you are going to condemn one religion, then you need to be condemning any and all religions in the process...Even your own perferred religion, as it is practiced there as well.

You fail to see what's happening in front of your own eyes...

This is NOT some Phillipino nailing himself to the cross in QUEENS, NEW YORK...

Yes! There are other faiths that equally show themselves stagnant...But this ISN'T ISOLATED...This isn't some small town in a third world country having traditional beliefs because the modern world didn't bring their cell phones and satellite dishes yet...

This is backyard!...the STREETS OF NEW YORK!!!!...Using WEAPONS that would be ILLEGAL and could easily KILL if the person so desired...Why don't you start swing a machete around town and see how far you'd get...

This ain't "an Islamic dude"...This is a representative of MILLIONS of people that do this all over the world...

Your moral equivalance is showing...5 million people whip themselves with chains around the world, yet you point out the few thousand elsewhere that do equally stupid displays...

Attack the jaywalkers...Give the real threat a pass...

Your great-grandchildren will thank you...

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Yet, what you are complaining about isn't 'stagnant' in other faiths either redd...And is happening right now, in many faiths that are practiced in our country by different practitioners within their own faiths.

What he's doing isn't a danger to anyone but himself. It's his right to practice his beliefs, even those you don't like, in this country. Just as it's perfectly ok for myself and others that aren't Ilamic, to observes our faiths in actions you might find distasteful...Cause what we do to ourselves in practice, doesn't affect you or this nation redd.

YOU want to make what he's doing the big issue. You want to paint what he's doing as something dangerous to other citizens, when it isn't...

Yes, for those not familiar with such blood-letting/self-punishing practices, what he's doing looks horrible and extreme...But for those that have similar practices or actually know the reason behind such practices, it's not so shocking as the photo makes it appear.

But because you want anything to do with Islam to look bad and dangerous, you are looking at what he's doing through the fog of your own hate and mistrust of a religion you hate and really don't understand all the diversity of sects themselves.

What he's doing isn't represenative of a whole religion...It's only represenative of a small portion within that faith that hold to those practices...Same as with other small sects within beliefs world wide and also in the US, that have practices that don't represent the whole majority...Practitioners that live, work, and practice their beliefs every day in this country as well, but you just don't know personally or observed personally.

Sorry redd...But you need to learn the difference between what a few does, doesnt' represent what all people do.

BINGO!

Ok...

Since this little combo seems to be flying too high for the radar, let's go through the process...

Islam...other faiths (cultures)...

Islam - self-flagellation?...check...

Other faiths - self-flagellation?...check...

Islam - self-flagellations in the middle of an AMERICAN street creating an obvious health hazard and using weapons that could easily kill and would be illigal if the common citizen walked aroud with them?...check

Other faiths...You MAY find one or two...

let's keep going shall we?...

Islam - Large sections of the community, both local and global, demanding and violently attempting to turn the world into a Caliphate...That's a checkmark right there...

Other faiths?...hmmm...Starting to get a little quiet on this side...

Islam - Large sections of the community, both local and global, demanding their form of religious laws and culture be set aside from their host nations, and, in some cases, actually overruling them?...check

Other faiths...(tumbleweeds)

That's the whole point of this thread...

You can tell me about some basement antics of some off-kilter religion where a few nutjobs slice themselves in some archaic ritual, but equating that to this display in an open street in the middle of New York...perpetrated by people who have a LARGE population within itself that want to force their religion down people's throat...at the tip of a sword if need be...and have their sermons repeatedly calling for the "Death of America"...is moral equivalence to its disgusting highest...

Here's a little about this Khoei Islamic Center you're so willing to defend by pointing out OTHER nutcases...

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ROTFLMAOL!!!

Talk about a stretch and a half there redd...Did all those gymnastics you did there hurt any?

Unless you can prove that he has a disease that is contagious, that can be spread through blood contact...You're blowing smoke up everyone's bumm...

Since when has a whip become a deadly weapon? And that using that whip on one's self become a deadly weapon towards others? ROTFLMAOL!!! Again, trying to blow smoke up other's bumms...

Oh and darling? It isn't illegal to own a whip or have one in public...I happen to own several myself of different types, lengths, etc...As well as I've had them on my person in public as well. Get a few strange glances, but that's cause people seeing them wonder if you're into S&M...Again, more smoke and make believe on your part by trying to say they're illegal weapons.

You're only issue is you are anti-Islamic. And you're digging for any little thing you can to try and paint all Islamic people as 'evil and bad'. While ignoring or trying to down play similar practices in beliefs practiced here in the US. And in this case, you're really stretching trying to justify your own hatred of a religion period through lies and distortions.

Sorry redd...But what you're wishing this picture to be just isn't there. And I'd think that you'd be above the lying and making bull up just to try and justify your own ignorance about exactly what is in that picture. Guess I was wrong though...Cause it does seem that you'll go to any extreme just to further more ignorance in others, about anyone and anything you personally don't like...Guess after you get your agenda accomplished with Islam, you'll just then move on to more people and things you find 'undesireable and needed to be hated'...



Sad...You disappoint me redd.

Oh, and as to your link about the Holocaust deniers that happen to be Islamic??? ROTFLMAOL!!! There's Holocaust deniers in every country and religion...In fact, a huge portion of them here in the US, as well as thousands of Holocaust denier links and millions of members worldwide...

If you'd like to meet a few from the US and Austrailia? I can point them to this board for you...They've been making the rounds to all the debate boards and guarentee they'll be happy to add you to their 'Jew-board' list along with the other boards. In fact...You may have read their posts on DTT...Right before they got banned that is.