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Old 01-09-2011, 04:18 PM
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Let's discuss the assassination/attempted assassination of Rep. Giffords and the other victims.

I have said many times here and to my family that things were going to get ugly and someone was going to get hurt because of the violent rhetoric in our political atmosphere.

Both sides engage in rhetoric that could be construed as violent. Cross hairs used in Palin's crap...targets used by DNC. Obama using the word "enemy" too freely. Palin using the "Reload" phrase. Angle wanting people to use their "2nd Amendment remedies" for the "Reid problem". People getting thrown to the ground and hurt by political adversaries. It's just gotten to be too much and (just my opinion) this crazy, unstable nut took things into his own hands.

I believe that through his writings and videos, the assassin was hearing the violent rhetoric from the right. He was anti-government, he had the belief in the gold and silver standard of currency – a favorite topic of the right wing of American politics that is regularly propounded by the Fox News commentator Glenn Beck, he thought his civil rights were being taken away, he accused Washington of mind control and brainwashing.

The sheriff of Tucson believes that the heated rhetoric on TV and radio in that city is a real problem. It is obvious to me that he is right.

Hate speech brought horrific violence and mayhem to Rwanda and had neighbors killing neighbors.

The access to our representatives will be lessened after this event. Access to those people is necessary to our democracy. I hope that result will be temporary, and I'll never again take for granted my congresscritters because they put their lives on the line to serve us. God bless them.

We should take care in what we say and how we say it - there are kooks listening.

What are your thoughts?
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I wouldn't blame either political party, I'd rather say that both sides need to cool it with the hateful/crazy/rabble rousing rhetoric (rabble rousing rhetoric, I like it).
I think we need another rally to restore sanity
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I agree that both sides engage in rhetoric that could be construed as violent. Some people are right on the edge mentally and this type of rhetoric can send them over the cliff.
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The sheriff of Tucson believes that the heated rhetoric on TV and radio in that city is a real problem. It is obvious to me that he is right.


What are your thoughts?
If you actually believe that, you might just be almost as crazy as the shooter was..........




Wake up.......!


That dude was a whack-O.......Ya hear me, crazy.........


He didn't think like you or I do, he was nuts......


That's square one. Don't try and analyze and or blame his actions with anything other than fricken crazy to begin with.......

Once that's extablished, everything else is moot.........
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I wouldn't blame either political party, I'd rather say that both sides need to cool it with the hateful/crazy/rabble rousing rhetoric (rabble rousing rhetoric, I like it).
I think we need another rally to restore sanity
Wouldn't that be refreshing for a change.......



A real change.......
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I think people are being a lot more careful of what they're saying today, but yesterday it was more like this.



http://www.filibustercartoons.com/comics/20110108.gif

People aren't accepting that crap anymore. Those who thought they could make some cheap political points yesterday have been put back on their heels today. That's good, I think.
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I believe that through his writings and videos, the assassin was hearing the violent rhetoric from the right. He was anti-government, he had the belief in the gold and silver standard of currency – a favorite topic of the right wing of American politics that is regularly propounded by the Fox News commentator Glenn Beck, he thought his civil rights were being taken away, he accused Washington of mind control and brainwashing.

The sheriff of Tucson believes that the heated rhetoric on TV and radio in that city is a real problem. It is obvious to me that he is right.
He was anti-Christian, liked burning US flags and listed the Communist Manifesto and Mein Kampf as favorite books. These are not trademarks of a Tea Party supporter or a Glenn Beck fan.

From all accounts, the shooter is a disturbed person who possibly had a fixation on the Congress lady. There is zero evidence of motive or political leanings. Zero. Zip.

I believe the partisan-hack Sheriff and the rest of the left will be burned by their despicable behavior as details of the story emerge. They've taken a tragedy and used it to spread their vile hatred and sour grapes after being thoroughly rejected by the American electorate. It's shameful, really.
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They've taken a tragedy and used it to spread their vile hatred and sour grapes after being thoroughly rejected by the American electorate. It's shameful, really.
This is exactly the type of hate rhetoric that is being questioned.

How can a solution be found......if a problem isn't acknowledged?



There is no question that the guy is a nutcase.

And we may never know for sure what his motivation was.

But if nothing else except out of respect for Rep. Gifford, maybe we will see everyone ratchet down the hate and vitriol.

Is it just coincidence that she herself said months ago.......... that she feared all of the hate talk would lead to tragedy?

How sad that she would be the recipient.


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If you actually believe that, you might just be almost as crazy as the shooter was..........

Wake up.......!

That dude was a whack-O.......Ya hear me, crazy.........

He didn't think like you or I do, he was nuts......

That's square one. Don't try and analyze and or blame his actions with anything other than fricken crazy to begin with.......

Once that's extablished, everything else is moot.........
Nice sentiments, dave.

Is it your contention that crazy people or wacko people can't be moved by politics or political rhetoric?

Maybe it's you that needs to open your eyes.
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Is it your contention that crazy people or wacko people can't be moved by politics or political rhetoric?
Exactly.

It takes someone pretty dim, to not understand that the hate and vitriol rhetoric falls more heavily on the disturbed ears.......than most other people.

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